When did liberals fall in love with Islam/Islamics?

[RUlookingup]

That sounds awfully like the control of guns to me, and I do agree with you. If you look back at my posts you will see that I think it is right to keep an eye on people you suspect. However, that is a long way short of excluding everyone of a particular religion.

Okay, what Trump is saying is that we have to take a look at what we have been doing. That it is not effective to date. He makes some statements which need to be made to get people's attention. To compare him to the Third Reich leading up to World War II is an insult to history. The left must safely pull their frilly panties (shout out to Jethro Tull) from their collective ass cheeks and chill the fuck out. Stop the " bunkerism"....turning all legitimate opposition into Archie Bunker....now.

 

[phrodeau]

Okay, what Trump is saying is that we have to take a look at what we have been doing. That it is not effective to date. He makes some statements which need to be made to get people's attention. To compare him to the Third Reich leading up to World War II is an insult to history. The left must safely pull their frilly panties (shout out to Jethro Tull) from their collective ass cheeks and chill the fuck out. Stop the " bunkerism"....turning all legitimate opposition into Archie Bunker....now.

There have been zero ISIS attacks on American soil to date. That seems to be pretty effective.

 

[DeYaKen]

Okay, what Trump is saying is that we have to take a look at what we have been doing. That it is not effective to date. He makes some statements which need to be made to get people's attention. To compare him to the Third Reich leading up to World War II is an insult to history. The left must safely pull their frilly panties (shout out to Jethro Tull) from their collective ass cheeks and chill the fuck out. Stop the " bunkerism"....turning all legitimate opposition into Archie Bunker....now.

What Mr Trump called for when he read his own press release was that for the complet shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. It was surprisingly clear. I never compared him to the Third Reich. I said he was using Goebels principles of propaganda. I also said that Maggie Thatcher, Tony Blair and good old Dubya used the same principles. That doesn't make them Nazis, it simply means they used the same methods to manipulate the people.

It may surprise you to know that Archie Bunker was a British creation from the pen of Jonny Speight. All in the Family was originally Till Death Us Do Part. Archie Bunker was Alf Garnet. The show was very popular here. So much so that current affairs programs employed the actor Warren Mitchell, who played Alf, to give Alf's view on things.

 

[PoppingTom]

I am amused by this thread, in a perverted way. On one hand the RWNJ's blame everything on "Liberals" and the Lib's try to shout them down. The correct response to the OP should have been "Fuck Off and Die", end of thread, but no, people have to try to reason with the RWNJ's.

You're right, that would be the usual response in a discussion claimed to be serious. But, you know, it's like studying a strange kind of species: you think there MUST be some kind of reasoning, they can't survive witout it, can they?

 

[PoppingTom]

It's guerrilla....

Because we haven't tried. We've been trying to fight guerrilla wars with PC bullshit on TV talking about hearts and minds while giving our troops orders not to shoot at anyone in front of CNN until 1/2 their unit is been put through the grinder because we wouldn't want to offend soccer moms in the midwest or uppity Eurotrash.

You HAVE tried. In Vietnam. It backfired on you.

You're inability to handle the IRA ...

WTF you're talking about? The Brits can handle the IRA better than you can handle your suburb kids.

Yet we are still trying to win wars in a politically correct manner via hearts and minds kumbyah fuck fuck games. War just doesn't work that way....if you aren't killing bad juju AND everyone around him, you're doing it wrong.

Better doing it wrong than losing the war. America lost in Vietnam because they did it "right".

I'd just like to see the evil US GTFO of the middle east so we can watch ISIS diversify the fuckin' shit out of Europe with love and peace.

Lib or not : fuck off and die! Or make sentences with at least a little degree of truth.

 

[PoppingTom]

I said he was using Goebels principles of propaganda.

That's right. He does.

I also said that Maggie Thatcher, Tony Blair and good old Dubya used the same principles.

And that's wrong. None of them attacked a group of ordinary living people, like Goebbels attacked the Jews and Trump attacked the muslims.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You HAVE tried. In Vietnam. It backfired on you.

No we did not....we played PC fuck fuck games. If we had tried there would simply not be a N. Vietnam because most of the people in that region would have died in a very very short span of time.

But we didn't want that because that doesn't generate a decade + of defense contracts now does it? Defense contractor welfare for made up wars we have no real reason to get in on other than to bleed the US tax payers for as much as possible as long as possible was the real goal of that war just like OIF/OEF was.

WTF you're talking about? The Brits can handle the IRA better than you can handle your suburb kids.

Go back and read to find out.

Well I would hope so. We have like 15x more nut job teens than they have people. And that's just California.

That doesn't mean taking the IRA's shit was the only option.

Better doing it wrong than losing the war. America lost in Vietnam because they did it "right".

If you're losing the war you're doing it wrong.

America lost in Vietnam because they didn't do it right....they tried to make it PC for the viewers at home and THAT blew up in their face on both fronts. They tried again in Iraq and did better on the soccer mom front but still failed horribly at the war thing.

Because you can't win a war unless you kill the bad guys, it's just that simple. If you're not willing to fucking kill the bad guys and EVERYONE around them and all their loved ones. You will fail at war and you should just stay the fuck home because it's obviously not that serious.

If you're not ready to enslave the survivors, exploit their natural resources and make them pay you for the inconvenience of having to come fuck their shit up .....you will fail and you should just stay the fuck home because it's obviously not that serious.

War doesn't mean compromise and take it up the ass from bad juju.....it means killing bad juju, moron.

Lib or not : fuck off and die! Or make sentences with at least a little degree of truth.

My statements are full of truth....that's why you can't name a SINGLE war ever in the history of humanity that hasn't been won via pure attrition and or resource deprivation.

Nor can you point to a Kumbyah and blowjobs for bad guys policy you support EVER working. Not one....

 

[DeYaKen]

That's right. He does.


And that's wrong. None of them attacked a group of ordinary living people, like Goebbels attacked the Jews and Trump attacked the muslims.

The Goebels principle mentioned is that if you want to get the people behind you, you tell them they are being attacked. Then you brand all the peacemakers as unpatriotic. As he said, "it works in every country"

Thatcher used that principle So did Blair and Dubya. Goebels was right it works in every country.

 

[DeYaKen]

There is no fuck you jack no matter how badly you keep trying to make it true.

The warrior class is meant to kill and die at the whims of their national/religious leaders, that has ALWAYS been their purpose, that's the job description. Has been for a long time.

You said that you don't care who gets killed. They don't matter because the volunteered to protect you.
Wow you really know how to inspire them to do their job well.

Exactly! The religion of peace would never do anything to Europe, they are amazing people with open minds that embrace diversity!! It's the USA that's fuckin' EVIL! and causing all woes in the world!

Anyone know where the hell this comes from

No I think the USA should quit taking responsibility because NOTHING the USA does will do anything other than invite ridicule and scorn, so we have no reason under the sun to put up with your shit.

I never placed women below beasts of burden. I placed the looks and smells of sun/desert/husband hammered women who live in the desert and rarely bathe above the beasts of burden...because it's true. People don't age well in shithole desert nations with shitty nutrition/HC/sanitation, and they smell even worse. That's not misogyny that's reality.

So when you wrote this, you really meant something completely different

And their shit talking? I DON'T CARE!! FUCK THEM AND THE STINKING CAMEL THEY RIDE TOO!! Yes I'm talking about their women, I'd never disrespect the livestock like that.
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Sure reads like putting beasts of burden above women.

That's what I thought.

Wow you've learned how to delete the all important "Not" from my sentence. Well done that's really clever.

Because we haven't tried. We've been trying to fight guerrilla wars with PC bullshit on TV talking about hearts and minds while giving our troops orders not to shoot at anyone in front of CNN until 1/2 their unit is been put through the grinder because we wouldn't want to offend soccer moms in the midwest or uppity Eurotrash.

No they didn't try it because even you do not have sufficient forces to go into a country and kill everybody, Men women and children. You depend on friendly local to provide all of your backup services. What you advocate would require an army of psychopaths, you don't have enough.

What you also seem to have forgotten is that one of the Muslim countries you are going to obliterate, has nuclear weapons and delivery systems supplied by China. Do you really think they are going to sit back and let you kill everyone. They would have nothing to lose by loosing off all their missiles. It only takes one to get through and Millions of innocent Americans will die. Maybe even Californians like you.

You're inability to handle the IRA isn't evidence taking it up the ass is the only option. It's evidence that you and the US both have been total fucking pussies since TV showed up and started offending the masses with the reality of war. Before that we just killed mother fuckers until they were ALL dead or they gave up either from lack or people or resources.

and you claimed to have the history of war on your side. You obviously know nothing about the history of war. Just check out the middle ages, before we even knew that America existed. War was a very civilised matter. They even agreed on the battlefield and nominated an umpire to decide who had won.

Yet we are still trying to win wars in a politically correct manner via hearts and minds kumbyah fuck fuck games. War just doesn't work that way....if you aren't killing bad juju AND everyone around him, you're doing it wrong.

Yet you still think you can win a guerrilla war using military might, despite the fact that youve tried it twice and failed.

ISIS wouldn't be around and it would have been done a lot faster if we had done the whole war bit correctly.

ISIS is there because we, and that include Britain, had no plan for the post-war situation. We left a power vacuum and the terrorists filled it. Iraq was a straightforward traditional war which could be won with military might. However, post war it seemed to be more important that Haliburton made loads of money than to ensure that the Iraqi government could actually run the country.

I never said it was something to worry about. I'd just like to see the evil US GTFO of the middle east so we can watch ISIS diversify the fuckin' shit out of Europe with love and peace.

I never said the US was evil. I said that we followed the US into the middle east. not vice versa. ISIS won't just go away now, but bombing the hell out of the civilians who are already suffering from the rule of ISIS themselves, is not going to achieve anything other than provide more fighters. The best we can currently hope for is that the Iraqi and Kurdish fighters will defeat them. Muslims fighting them is good because it shows them up for being non-islamic.

Why? It was just another Friday. I has fuck tons to do, I was working hours before the sun was up and I hit lit up at beer 30 just like most Fridays. I'm a godless heathen who takes the opportunity of Christmas to get some extra shit done and Chinese dinner with the local Jewish community.

Thanks for the well wishes!

That makes two godless heathens. I still celebrate Christmas. I celebrate the lengthening days and take advantage of the chance to get together with my family and play with the kids. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

 

[RUlookingup]

What Mr Trump called for when he read his own press release was that for the complet shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. It was surprisingly clear. I never compared him to the Third Reich. I said he was using Goebels principles of propaganda. I also said that Maggie Thatcher, Tony Blair and good old Dubya used the same principles. That doesn't make them Nazis, it simply means they used the same methods to manipulate the people.

It may surprise you to know that Archie Bunker was a British creation from the pen of Jonny Speight. All in the Family was originally Till Death Us Do Part. Archie Bunker was Alf Garnet. The show was very popular here. So much so that current affairs programs employed the actor Warren Mitchell, who played Alf, to give Alf's view on things.

I'm well aware of Meathead's Dad grabbing the idea from across the pond.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You said that you don't care who gets killed. They don't matter because the volunteered to protect you.
Wow you really know how to inspire them to do their job well.

I didn't say they don't matter I said their job can cost them their life and if some soldiers have to die to get the job done then so be it, that's their whole reason for existing.

Sure reads like putting beasts of burden above women.

I didn't say women...I said 'their women' specifying the women of the Syrian nation. You know, the nation who actually puts beasts of burden above all women, but don't mention that it would be racist!!

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/d/da/PC_Principal.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150917224515

Wow you've learned how to delete the all important "Not" from my sentence. Well done that's really clever.

OH look still no math to back up your bewwww shit. SHOCKING!

No they didn't try it because even you do not have sufficient forces to go into a country and kill everybody, Men women and children.

Uhhh yea we do. We didn't have the political will to turn to soccer mom suburban America and say "We just took out 12 million people tonight, because Communism!!!" because it's just not that serious and winning the war was never the intention.

You depend on friendly local to provide all of your backup services. What you advocate would require an army of psychopaths, you don't have enough.

LMFAO!~ The locals don't have ANY services in these 3rd world shit holes you nim rod omg get a fucking clue. Halliburton provides our services, not the locals LOL and our firepower doesn't need any in fact we are constantly throttling our firepower back so we don't appear to be such bad guys.

It wouldn't require an army of psychopaths, it requires a bunch of kids in a Colorado command bunker stick jockeying a bunch of stealth drones and the political willpower to be the bad guy to get shit resolved.

What you also seem to have forgotten is that one of the Muslim countries you are going to obliterate, has nuclear weapons and delivery systems supplied by China. Do you really think they are going to sit back and let you kill everyone. They would have nothing to lose by loosing off all their missiles. It only takes one to get through and Millions of innocent Americans will die. Maybe even Californians like you.

LOL

One, they can't see us coming. Shit not even you, Russia or China can see us coming. Every one of those sights could be destroyed before anyone in that country knew they were under attack.

Two, our missile defense tech is about 40 years ahead of that Chinese piece of shit. It has about as good a chance of hitting CA as ISIS does of taking out the entire US military in a toe to toe fight.

and you claimed to have the history of war on your side. You obviously know nothing about the history of war.

Then name a war that was won with hot coco and hugs instead of cutting off the other teams resources and starving/freezing them out and or killing the fucking shit out of them. Because I got a fuckin' laundry list of wars won that way....like all of them.

Yet you still think you can win a guerrilla war using military might, despite the fact that youve tried it twice and failed.

We have not tried once. We have started and persisted in bullshit conflicts, even instigated maybe even false flagged shit just to get defense contracts flowing and send the troops out for some live fire field training. But we have not waged war on anyone since WWII.

it seemed to be more important that Haliburton made loads of money than to ensure that the Iraqi government could actually run the country.

Ding ding ding you're getting warmer to reality!! Damn hot actually, I'm so proud!

We were interested in dragging out conflicts for defense contractors, not winning any war. We did not try to win shit with force, US forces are constantly reeled back because if we went in full bore it would fucking horrify the planet the amount of destruction we could bring. The sheer volume of human life the US military is capable of extinguishing in an 4hr period at half throttle would make Hitler look like a fucking choir boy. And that's not even tapping our NBC weapons....100% conventional steel and explosives.

I never said the US was evil. I said that we followed the US into the middle east. not vice versa. ISIS won't just go away now, but bombing the hell out of the civilians who are already suffering from the rule of ISIS themselves, is not going to achieve anything other than provide more fighters. The best we can currently hope for is that the Iraqi and Kurdish fighters will defeat them. Muslims fighting them is good because it shows them up for being non-islamic.

How will it provide more fighters? I'm talking about a HIGH attrition strategy, as in killing ISIS and EVERYONE around them. Give the civilians the option just like we did in Iraq....leave now, surrender and we won't kill you.


But if you stay in town with ISIL/ISIS/Al Whoever and you're going to die. Let them take the 1st shot even....and then just level the town/city everyone dies, send the grunts in to mop up the 6% that survived. Winning.

That makes two godless heathens. I still celebrate Christmas. I celebrate the lengthening days and take advantage of the chance to get together with my family and play with the kids. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

That's cool but making money is my play. Nothing more relaxing or enjoying than having people throwing money at me.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh no, you don't hoot about American exceptionalism at all.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh no, you don't hoot about American exceptionalism at all.

Care to specify?

This seems to be the core of what "American Exceptionalism" means according to the internet.

"American exceptionalism refers to the special character of the United States as a uniquely free nation based on democratic ideals and personal liberty"

Pointing out that we are 10 years ahead of the next competitor (and that's being nice) because we are XX times better funded than the rest of the planet combined isn't American exceptionalism, it's a fact. So is the fact that we have kept the dogs of war on a rather short leash since WWII because they were mostly proxy war police action fuck fuck games more about political posturing and making money than neutralizing any real threat to the US of A.

Now if I were talking about how America is the best at everything all the time forever cuz freedumb, gawd n' the constitution as written in the Holy Bible like vette used to do all the time you'd have a point. But I'm not, so point out another military that even holds a match to the US or GTFO with youz 'American Exceptionalism' beww shit brah.

 

[PoppingTom]

No we did not....we played PC fuck fuck games. If we had tried there would simply not be a N. Vietnam because most of the people in that region would have died in a very very short span of time.

You mean America hasn't bombed Northern Vietnam enough? You think a few A-bombs would have been necessary? Napalm and Agent Orange was PC shit?

That doesn't mean taking the IRA's shit was the only option.

What do you mean with "the IRA's shit"?

The goal of the IRA was the unification of Northern Ireland with the main Ireland. For the price of terrorizing the British inhabitants. As far as I know, Northern Ireland is still part of the British Empire, the Protestants are still there, and the IRA quit terror long ago.

So what's your point? Not enough people killed for your ill mind?

If you're losing the war you're doing it wrong.

We can agree, finally.

Because you can't win a war unless you kill the bad guys, it's just that simple. If you're not willing to fucking kill the bad guys and EVERYONE around them and all their loved ones. You will fail at war and you should just stay the fuck home because it's obviously not that serious.

If you're not ready to enslave the survivors, exploit their natural resources and make them pay you for the inconvenience of having to come fuck their shit up .....you will fail and you should just stay the fuck home because it's obviously not that serious.

I don't care whether it's "that serious" or not. We haven't killed Milosevic in the Kosovo war, you haven't enslaved the Germans or the Japanese after WWII, and still, we've won.

My statements are full of truth....

Your logic isn't of this world. Every word you say seems to be the opposite of what you mean. ISIS victims turns into ISIS fighter in your mouth. Acts of war turn into "PC love and peace shit" in your mouth. But funny how the action of Germany is seen as "the whole of Europe" in your eyes.

Yes, most muslims in our country can diversify hundred times better than you, The American Stupid.

that's why you can't name a SINGLE war ever in the history of humanity that hasn't been won via pure attrition and or resource deprivation.

Depends on what you see as a war. The Kosovo conflict was a war in my eyes, and it was finished without it. Same goes out to the first Iraq war. You haven't killed Saddam, but you've won. And what about the 6-days war of Israel? Attrition? Resource deprivation?

Nor can you point to a Kumbyah and blowjobs for bad guys policy you support EVER working. Not one....

That's right, because the state of "the bad guy" is debatable. To me, Pinochet was a very very bad guy, and you blowjobbed him to victory.

 

[PoppingTom]

The Goebels principle mentioned is that if you want to get the people behind you, you tell them they are being attacked. Then you brand all the peacemakers as unpatriotic. As he said, "it works in every country"

Thatcher used that principle So did Blair and Dubya. Goebels was right it works in every country.

Goebbels hadn't only one principle, but, according to Rationalwiki, 19 main principles. You appointing to his 16th :

"Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level."

But the 18th point of his principles comes close to what I'm talking about:

"Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred."

Tha's the main difference to the likes of today's 1st world politicians: Using anxiety is not the same as specifically create it and use it against a specified group of people. Dubya haven't called for pogroms against muslims like the Nazis did against Jews.

 

[DeYaKen]

I didn't say they don't matter I said their job can cost them their life and if some soldiers have to die to get the job done then so be it, that's their whole reason for existing.

Take a look back at your posts, On more than one occasion you have said that you don't care about them, Words to the effect of they knew what they were getting into.

I didn't say women...I said 'their women' specifying the women of the Syrian nation. You know, the nation who actually puts beasts of burden above all women, but don't mention that it would be racist!!

Nuff said

OH look still no math to back up your bewwww shit. SHOCKING!

most peculiar. what are you talking about?

Uhhh yea we do. We didn't have the political will to turn to soccer mom suburban America and say "We just took out 12 million people tonight, because Communism!!!" because it's just not that serious and winning the war was never the intention.

As I've said before, the only way you can do that is with nuclear weapons. Did Chernobyl teach you nothing? Once you start releasing that stuff it goes everywhere. Even Al Haigh had to admit that his theories about a winnable nuclear war were a joke.

It wouldn't require an army of psychopaths, it requires a bunch of kids in a Colorado command bunker stick jockeying a bunch of stealth drones and the political willpower to be the bad guy to get shit resolved.

Your faith in technology is touching. I can well remember working on systems to overcome so called stealth. The only way you could have made it untrackable would have been to make it silent, cold, and invisible. You haven't managed that yet. Of course, being a military project we were not told what it was for but anyone with half a brain could work it out. As I recall even the Serbs managed to track and bring down one of your stealth bombers.

One, they can't see us coming. Shit not even you, Russia or China can see us coming. Every one of those sights could be destroyed before anyone in that country knew they were under attack.

Believing your own governments hype again. Until they are totally invisible we can see them.

Two, our missile defense tech is about 40 years ahead of that Chinese piece of shit. It has about as good a chance of hitting CA as ISIS does of taking out the entire US military in a toe to toe fight.

Such blind faith. As I said you cannot guarantee you will get every single warhead before it is close enough to rain down all sorts a radioactive shit on you.

Then name a war that was won with hot coco and hugs instead of cutting off the other teams resources and starving/freezing them out and or killing the fucking shit out of them. Because I got a fuckin' laundry list of wars won that way....like all of them.

who said anything about that. I said you don't win a guerrilla war with military might. Of course, you cut off their support network. the difference is in how you do that. Again the US experience should have told you this. You can't destroy a support network that you can't see or can't find. One that is so diverse it is all around you. Fighting people in uniforms, with supply convoys, is a piece of cake by comparison. There are no arms dumps to destroy. The arms are in people's houses, baby carriages, churches, even graves. They are spread over whole towns so that you can never get more than a few in a raid. Your solution is to destroy the whole city, country, region and so on. Even if you could do it, who is the US going to trade with when the rest of the world is unpopulated.

We have not tried once. We have started and persisted in bullshit conflicts, even instigated maybe even false flagged shit just to get defense contracts flowing and send the troops out for some live fire field training. But we have not waged war on anyone since WWII.

Well I'm sure all those people who were drafted into the armed forces to fight in Korea and Viet Nam will be comforted to know that they weren't actually fighting a war.

Ding ding ding you're getting warmer to reality!! Damn hot actually, I'm so proud!

We were interested in dragging out conflicts for defense contractors, not winning any war. We did not try to win shit with force, US forces are constantly reeled back because if we went in full bore it would fucking horrify the planet the amount of destruction we could bring. The sheer volume of human life the US military is capable of extinguishing in an 4hr period at half throttle would make Hitler look like a fucking choir boy. And that's not even tapping our NBC weapons....100% conventional steel and explosives.

Ha Ha. I win. First rule rule of Bulletin Boards. The first one to mention Hitler loses. Seriously, everyone knows that the Arms industry really governs America. We pretend not to because we really want to like you guys. With one notable exception (a whining accountant who thought it was other people's job to make him well. He shouldn't have to do anything.) All the Americans I have met have been nice people. But then I've never been to your country, and probably never will.

How will it provide more fighters? I'm talking about a HIGH attrition strategy, as in killing ISIS and EVERYONE around them. Give the civilians the option just like we did in Iraq....leave now, surrender and we won't kill you.


But if you stay in town with ISIL/ISIS/Al Whoever and you're going to die. Let them take the 1st shot even....and then just level the town/city everyone dies, send the grunts in to mop up the 6% that survived. Winning.

And just who do you think you are fighting now. ISIS is not a country. You are fighting the sons and daughters of people we killed because they stayed behind to protect the family home or the family business. Those that tried to keep their animals safe. People who thought we were the good guys. The children of doctors and nurses who stayed to tend the wounded and sick only to have the hospital destroyed by one of our oh so accurate missiles. Youngsters who came back when it was supposed to be all over, to find their parents dead or in Guantanomo.

That is how you build up hatred. That's how you make sure there is always going to be someone who wants to hurt you. And they will do it. Whenever and wherever your guard is down, they will strike and the whole cycle goes around again. But then again that is probably what you want. No threat, no need for an arms industry. Still you will always have that big bear just over the fence, you can keep the people worried about him. that should justify some more spending.

That's cool but making money is my play. Nothing more relaxing or enjoying than having people throwing money at me.

Whatever turns you on. I sort of guessed it wasn't people.

 

[DeYaKen]

Goebbels hadn't only one principle, but, according to Rationalwiki, 19 main principles. You appointing to his 16th :

"Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level."

But the 18th point of his principles comes close to what I'm talking about:

"Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred."

Tha's the main difference to the likes of today's 1st world politicians: Using anxiety is not the same as specifically create it and use it against a specified group of people. Dubya haven't called for pogroms against muslims like the Nazis did against Jews.

I was actually quoting from one of his speeches.

He didn't invent all of that it had been around for some time. Dr Johnson is widely believed to be referring to something similar when he said "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." However, by documenting it the way he did, Goebels did us all a favour. We should study the principles and constantly ask ourselves, "are we being played?"

I believe there is another which says something like When telling a lie, say it loud and say it often. Another trick used by politicians the world over.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You mean America hasn't bombed Northern Vietnam enough? You think a few A-bombs would have been necessary? Napalm and Agent Orange was PC shit?

It didn't bomb it properly. Yep....pissing munitions into the jungles at ghosts was PC shit. We should have taken out their cities.

So what's your point?

Taking shit isn't the ONLY option.

I don't care whether it's "that serious" or not. We haven't killed Milosevic in the Kosovo war, you haven't enslaved the Germans or the Japanese after WWII, and still, we've won.

Kosovo was not a war, it was something M'uricuh kinda peed on because no one in Europe had a fuckin' spine to do anything about the Genocide happening in their backyard AGAIN.

And Germany/Japan are enslaved....you do what we tell you, you make money for us. We are friendly but you're still M'uricuhs bitch.

Your logic isn't of this world. Every word you say seems to be the opposite of what you mean.

That's your inability to read, not my self contradiction.

Yes, most muslims in our country can diversify hundred times better than you, The American Stupid.

This is the European sentiment at large and exactly why the USA, stupid dumb ass America needs to LEAVE the middle east and let ISIS come after you idiots full fucking bore.

Depends on what you see as a war. The Kosovo conflict was a war in my eyes, and it was finished without it.

LOL Kosovo was not a war...it was europe asking a nut job to please stop while he laughed at them, then Europe asking America to do something about it so we sent some troops to gut check a butthole and shut you spineless fucks up.

Same goes out to the first Iraq war. You haven't killed Saddam, but you've won.

We crushed the shit out of his military though and sent him packing out of our homies back yard which was the objective...war was won via attrition.

And what about the 6-days war of Israel? Attrition? Resource deprivation?

That is why they have been constantly fucked with....they haven't resolved their shit because they finger fuck around with it, big bro USA says "No no no! that's not PC!!" so they keep it low key.

That's right, because the state of "the bad guy" is debatable. To me, Pinochet was a very very bad guy, and you blowjobbed him to victory.

Pinochet did not defeat the USA because the USA kissed his ass....

No one wins wars with hugs, the very notion is fucking retarded.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Take a look back at your posts, On more than one occasion you have said that you don't care about them, Words to the effect of they knew what they were getting into.

That's not the same as I don't care...no matter how bad you want twist my words into meaning what you want them to mean.

Nuff said

Ahh ignore what I actually said to fit your narrative....typical.

most peculiar. what are you talking about?

Your extrapolations genius boy....still haven't shown your math, still full of shit until you do.

As I've said before, the only way you can do that is with nuclear weapons.

No it's not...we have conventional weapons that can level 12 city blocks at a time, load up some 52's and the ISIS situation could be over in the morning but that wouldn't be PC OR drag this out for contractors now would it?

Your faith in technology is touching. I can well remember working on systems to overcome so called stealth. As I recall even the Serbs managed to track and bring down one of your stealth bombers.

Believing your own governments hype again. Until they are totally invisible we can see them.

If you can see us then how come our F-22 kick the fucking piss out of your airforce long before anyone even knows where they are in training exercises?

Yep the one and only F-117 ever shot down. I think it was luck.

Still don't think some 3rd world arab shit hole with 50 year old MIG's and 35 y/o Russian SAM's is going to fair much better.

Such blind faith. As I said you cannot guarantee you will get every single warhead before it is close enough to rain down all sorts a radioactive shit on you.

No grantees ever...but they would have a better chance of winning the super lotto than getting an ancient piece of shit missile into the US.

I said you don't win a guerrilla war with military might.

And you're wrong, we did JUST fine against the native Americans and a number of other military conquest in the past simply crushed that shit just by killing everyone who fucked with them.

Guerrilla war works when the enemy is bound by a bunch of PC rules and the guerrilla fighters are not. That's why it worked against the British back in the day and against the Americans in recent times.

Well I'm sure all those people who were drafted into the armed forces to fight in Korea and Viet Nam will be comforted to know that they weren't actually fighting a war.

That's why we give them perks and parades.....keeps the sting of reality out of their eyes. Reality being the fact that they were whored out for a defense contract.

We pretend not to because we really want to like you guys. But then I've never been to your country, and probably never will.

I don't think you do, I think you look down at us and regularly talk shit about the USA like most smug Eurotrash. Good, stay the fuck out.

And just who do you think you are fighting now. ISIS is not a country. You are fighting the sons and daughters of people we killed because they stayed behind to protect the family home or the family business. Those that tried to keep their animals safe. People who thought we were the good guys. The children of doctors and nurses who stayed to tend the wounded and sick only to have the hospital destroyed by one of our oh so accurate missiles. Youngsters who came back when it was supposed to be all over, to find their parents dead or in Guantanomo.

Yea...that's what trying to wage a CNN approved politically correct war will get you.

Know what happens when you take out a HUGE chunk of the population? unconditional surrender, every fuckin' time.

Is it horrible and ugly? Sure...but it gets results that feel good warm fuzzy warfare shit you and the other idiots push don't.

That is how you build up hatred. That's how you make sure there is always going to be someone who wants to hurt you.

That simply doesn't happen when everyone standing on their side is dead. That happens when you get PC about war and take out one bad guy while leaving all his supporters standing to fight another day.

Whatever turns you on. I sort of guessed it wasn't people.

People always trying to fuck me over and smiling at my face while they talk shit about me behind my back. Why on Earth would I want to surround myself with that shit?

 

[Iceprincess12]

It's almost New Years!! Resolution time. Let's make one for really long posts that argue the same thing you argued in every other thread

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[phrodeau]

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People always trying to fuck me over and smiling at my face while they talk shit about me behind my back. Why on Earth would I want to surround myself with that shit?

Pot makes you paranoid.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Pot makes you paranoid.

Maybe it does, but that doesn't make me wrong.

 

[PoppingTom]

It didn't bomb it properly. Yep....pissing munitions into the jungles at ghosts was PC shit. We should have taken out their cities.

What cities?

Taking shit isn't the ONLY option.

Still don't get what you mean.

Kosovo was not a war, it was something M'uricuh kinda peed on because no one in Europe had a fuckin' spine to do anything about the Genocide happening in their backyard AGAIN.

Kosovo was a NATO operation. But that's too high shit for you.

And Germany/Japan are enslaved....you do what we tell you, you make money for us. We are friendly but you're still M'uricuhs bitch.

Yeah, we followed you blind into the Iraq war.....oh,wait!

This is the European sentiment at large and exactly why the USA, stupid dumb ass America needs to LEAVE the middle east and let ISIS come after you idiots full fucking bore.

Noticed. (Though America will never do...)

LOL Kosovo was not a war...

Because too low bodycount?

That is why they have been constantly fucked with....they haven't resolved their shit because they finger fuck around with it, big bro USA says "No no no! that's not PC!!" so they keep it low key.

Ah, you mean bombing Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi-Arabia and Syria back to stoneage would be the ultimate solution? What about bombing the whole world into stoneage. That would definitely solve any of America's problems. Because Mad Max is what we all want forever.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What cities?

Still don't get what you mean.

Start with the biggest one and work your way down until the people turn on their leaders and promise, beg and surrender unconditionally just to get us to stop killing them. Barbaric? Sure, that's war, but it's effective.....

Kosovo was a NATO operation. But that's too high shit for you.

Because too low bodycount?

Yes it was a NATO operation after your nation and the rest of Europe stood around watching a genocide happen, writing letters to a nut job telling him how upset you are and looking at the USA going "What are YOU going to do about this?"

Not too low body count. It's about the size scope and reasoning for it from our perspective. It was a few bombing runs and a police action for the US. A civil war maybe? Armed rebellion/police action is more like it.

And in the end the Yugoslavian forces left because they got their fuckin' ass's handed to them. Not because the Serbs brought them hot coco and hugs.

Yeah, we followed you blind into the Iraq war.....oh,wait!

Noticed. (Though America will never do...)

What's Iraq got to do with it?

NOpe....we gotta keep lots of Republicans employed so we need a reason to be at war.

Ah, you mean bombing Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi-Arabia and Syria back to stoneage would be the ultimate solution? What about bombing the whole world into stoneage. That would definitely solve any of America's problems. Because Mad Max is what we all want forever.

Not so much the other but certainly SA and Syria.

Why would we want to bomb the whole world into the stoneage? SW asia is where the shit storm is at and is not the whole world ya hysterical fuckin' lunatic LOL.

 

[PoppingTom]

Start with the biggest one and work your way down until the people turn on their leaders and promise, beg and surrender unconditionally just to get us to stop killing them. Barbaric? Sure, that's war, but it's effective.....

No war was ever won by this. You can't name a single one.

And you still refuse to answer what "taking the IRA's shit" means.

Yes it was a NATO operation after blablabla....

It was a NATO operation. Period. If only one of the 22 nations would have denied support, Milosevic would have won. His propaganda front was working hard on this, and especially the German Greens were close to deny support. And for your consideration: it was Germany who apologized for the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrad, which made China support the NATO position. Things like this had more impact on Milosevic than all this bombing.

Yes, hug the right people can help sometimes in a war. You couldn't defeat Hitler without hugs for Stalin.

Not too low body count. It's about the size scope and reasoning for it from our perspective. It was a few bombing runs and a police action for the US. A civil war maybe?

I doubt you mean "civil war" like it's usually taken.

And if I got you right: if you bomb, it's just police action. If they shoot back and succeed sometimes, so you have to go back harder, it's war?

The whole "police action" was 1 1/2 years long, and they managed to get a F-117 down. to me, this was war. Just because there can be more barbaric war, doesn't mean it wasn't war.

What's Iraq got to do with it?

Have you heard the story of Germany was denying support for Dubya in Iraq ? We haven't played the little doggie of the US, like Blair did.

We are slaves? We do what you command? Smell my finger, dumbass.

Not so much the other but certainly SA and Syria.

Oh, you diversify the muslims? Egypt terrorists are different than non-existant Syrian ones? Saudi-Arabians can fly as many planes into your skyscrapers as they want, they're not that much of a thread than a Syrian mother who can possibly breed something that may be a terrorist supporter one day if the wrong people he possibly could meet will incept some ill thoughts into his brain?

Oh, I remembered, yes, you can diversify. But you can't explain it.

Why would we want to bomb the whole world into the stoneage?

Because the whole world hates the US as much as the Syrians hate the US. Kill them all, and there would never ever be any terrorrists at all, everybody would love America again.

Isn't this your plan?