When did liberals fall in love with Islam/Islamics?

[BotanyBoy]

No war was ever won by this. You can't name a single one.

WWII. The Roman Empire conquered most of Europe like this, Desert storm was won like that....the American Revolution....American Civil War.....Genghis Khan pwnd the fuck out of NE asia like that.

Every war ever won was because we went and fucked the enemy up.

Not because we took them hot coco and hugs.

And you still refuse to answer what "taking the IRA's shit" means.

Do you want an actual list of all the shit the IRA did? Google is your friend....

Or do you not understand the term?

It was a NATO operation. Period. If only one of the 22 nations would have denied support, Milosevic would have won.

LOL Ya'll stood around with your thumbs up your asses too scared to commit. Just watching the genocide happen...never again right?

Shit didn't get done until the US went in and started bombing the fucking piss out of that piece of shit.

Yes, hug the right people can help sometimes in a war. You couldn't defeat Hitler without hugs for Stalin.

Stalin was NOT our enemy at the time dumbshit.

How did we defeat Hitler? We bombed the mother fucking PISS out of Germany and killed a fuck ton of Germans. We fucked Germany up until it had no fucking choice but to surrender or cease to exist.

Japan? We fucking nuked them, they shit their pants and came out waving a white flag just as soon as they caught their breath because they knew if they didn't they were ALL going to fucking die.

I doubt you mean "civil war" like it's usually taken.

If by usually taken in your world where war means cuddle time with people who want to kill you? You're probably right.

Just because there can be more barbaric war, doesn't mean it wasn't war.

It wasn't a war for America....it still came down to flexing force on some bitches though. Had he not been getting 2,000lb JDAM's up his ass he would have just continued to laugh at you guys and done whatever the fuck he wanted. And Europe would have let him...fuck they did for years.

Have you heard the story of Germany was denying support for Dubya in Iraq ? We haven't played the little doggie of the US, like Blair did.

We are slaves? We do what you command? Smell my finger, dumbass.

You are slaves.....now go build me a luxury vehicle and sell it to me cheaper than you sell it to your own people.

We enslave you just like we do everyone else...with money.

If we really wanted you in Iraq all we would have to do is lean on your economy and there would be a couple German units in Iraq. But we didn't really need you because we were more than capable of just occupying that bitch forever so contractors could bill the piss out of the US gov.

Oh, you diversify the muslims? Egypt terrorists are different than non-existant Syrian ones?

I've personally met Syrian terrorist, and currently Syria is filled with fuck tons of Syrian terrorist, so you're either too ignorant or too dishonest to continue that line of conversation.

Because the whole world hates the US as much as the Syrians hate the US. Kill them all, and there would never ever be any terrorrists at all, everybody would love America again.

Isn't this your plan?

No that's the one you made up for me in crazy land.

 

[PoppingTom]

WWII. The Roman Empire conquered most of Europe like this, Desert storm was won like that....the American Revolution....American Civil War.....Genghis Khan pwnd the fuck out of NE asia like that.

Nope. Not a single war of this was won with "making them handling out their leaders". Nobody did. The utmost thought of this possibility is stupid to the max.

WWII was won when Hitler committed suicide and the few extant leaders surrendered. They would have continued fighting if there was an order to do so. A lot of German people in the war surrendered as they begin to doubt the sense of fighting in general. The Russians made Marshall Paulus become their supporter.

Desert storm was won very fast because most Iraqis wanted to get rid of Saddam anyway. The American Independence war was won with help of French allies. Yeah, Genghis Khan may have brought fear and desperation with his campaign of conquest, but still, nobody handed out their leaders. This was fighting or dying. You can't compare this to today's warfare.

Do you want an actual list of all the shit the IRA did?

I know what the IRA did, that doesn't answer my question: what means "taking their shit" ? Describe the action of "taking their shit".

LOL Ya'll stood around with your thumbs up your asses too scared to commit. Just watching the genocide happen...

You mean we should have bombed them before anything happen? How dumb is this?

Stalin was NOT our enemy at the time dumbshit.

You mean "the bad guy" is who your officer tells you? Because you can't think for yourself?

How did we defeat Hitler?

With the help of the Russians. You'd never ever got your ass up without the Russian preliminary.

Japan? We fucking nuked them..

...and the Chinese fought them on the ground. The only time America ever won without allies was in Grenada.

If by usually taken in your world where war means cuddle time with people who want to kill you? You're probably right.

Yeah, that's why they called the secession war "The American Civil War". You cuddled the south into surrender. And we did the same with the Serbs.

It wasn't a war for America....it still came down to flexing force on some bitches though.

You're still not able to answer questions.

You are slaves.....If we really wanted you in Iraq all we would have to do is lean on your economy and there would be a couple German units in Iraq. But we didn't really need you because we were more than capable of just occupying that bitch forever so contractors could bill the piss out of the US gov.

Yeah, off course, you didn't need us as much as you needed the 2 troops of Iceland, or the 40 of Estonia, or the 3200 of Italy. You are so unbelievable nice to your slaves. Bush was coming to Berlin just to say "We don't need you", and Rumsfeld just calmed Joschka Fischer who said "I'm not convinced", because you're so nice people.

Tomorrow, please tell me another fairytale.

I've personally met Syrian terrorist....

You mean you fighted some ISIS fighters in Baghdad ? This isn't Syria, don't confuse things.

you're either too ignorant or too dishonest to continue that line of conversation.

Conversation? Conversation would include reasoning. But you just spit fire and brimstone together with your subhuman all-bombing fantasies and demonstrations of American Stupidity. All your reasoning is just megalomaniac imagination of what power the US army got.

You can tell me a lot, but your view is not the only one in the world. Even if that imagination hurts your brain.

The question stands: do you diversify muslim terrorists? There's no dishonesty in that question.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I edited this down because you're pretty much all over the place just making shit up and not staying on topic so until you do that I'm just going to edit your incoherent rants away mmkay?

Nope. Not a single war of this was won with "making them handling out their leaders". Nobody did. The utmost thought of this possibility is stupid to the max.

Says the guy who thinks you win wars with hugs

And I never said "making them handling out their leaders" whatever the fuck that means.

WWII was won when Hitler committed suicide and the few extant leaders surrendered.

And why did they do that? Couldn't possibly be because they were surrounded after they had the ever living piss bombed/shot out of their infrastructure, supplies and people would it?

Japan may have been fighting China but they surrounded to us because they faced certain annihilation.

Ahhh.....enjoy that taste of reality. Wars are won by killing the other guys and fucking their shit up, not with hugs and hot coco.

Desert storm was won very fast because most Iraqis wanted to get rid of Saddam anyway. The American Independence war was won with help of French allies. Yeah, Genghis Khan may have brought fear and desperation with his campaign of conquest, but still, nobody handed out their leaders. This was fighting or dying. You can't compare this to today's warfare.

I didn't say we never had help, I said we won because we fucked the other team up, which is reality.

Your idea of winning wars with hugs? 100% failure.

War is the same today as it ever was. You win by killing bad guys, everyone around them and destroying all their shit.

I know what the IRA did, that doesn't answer my question: what means "taking their shit" ? Describe the action of "taking their shit".

Google is your friend......you can do it big boy!.

You mean you fighted some ISIS fighters in Baghdad ? This isn't Syria, don't confuse things.

Nope....I mean what I said, this kinda making shit up that you do is why I ignored most of your post. I'm sure you'll find ways to twist these words into some crazy bullshit too.

 

[PoppingTom]

I edited this down because you're pretty much all over the place just making shit up and not staying on topic so until you do that I'm just going to edit your incoherent rants away mmkay?

You don't need to answer if all you want to say is shit. As you still refuse to answer questions halfway scrutable...

I stay to my rants.

Says the guy who thinks you win wars with hugs

Not necessarily with hugs alone, but you don't win without a few hugs for the right people, evil or not.

And I never said "making them handling out their leaders" whatever the fuck that means.

OK, with other words: people don't surrender because you fuck them up. They surrender because of order or because there's no use of continue fighting.

You wiped a few German cities to more than 90%, and some bigger ones to more than 60 %, and people were still fighting.

And why did they do that?

Because there was nothing to fight for. But that's too intellectual for you.

Ahhh.....enjoy that taste of reality. Wars are won by killing the other guys

You know shit about winning wars. Thankfully, you're no commander.

I didn't say we never had help, I said we won because we fucked the other team up, which is reality.

And Vietnam fucked you up, that's reality, too. All your bombing just made them fight even more and get more fighters, and support from China and other socialist countries.

Tell me why you've got the hearts and minds of South Korea, but not the ones of South Vietnam.

War is the same today as it ever was.

Really? What have you conquered? How many inhabitants of besieged cities have you killed after surrender? How many pieces of world heritage have you destroyed after defeat?

How many leaders have you decoyed with false promises, just to kill them on the bargain?

How many of your own people have you killed for criticizing your campaigns?

War is hardly the same as ever. Maybe in your conqueror's dreams.

Google is your friend......

Google won't tell me what you mean with "taking their shit".

I mean what I said

Maybe, but that doesn't make you right. You can tell a lot of shit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You don't need to answer if all you want to say is shit. As you still refuse to answer questions halfway scrutable...

I stay to my rants.

Hey if you just want to make things up and try to stick them to me go ahead I'll just ignore it.

OK, with other words: people don't surrender because you fuck them up. They surrender because of order or because there's no use of continue fighting.

The only reason they get orders to surrender is because they got fucked up.

If there is no use in fighting it's because you got fucked up.

No one surrenders because things are going great for their war campaign, you're a complete moron for suggesting as much.

You wiped a few German cities to more than 90%, and some bigger ones to more than 60 %, and people were still fighting.

Not many...most had surrendered to allied force, your army and people were starving and low on supplies with witch to continue the fight and your numbers in rank were crashing.....because everyone got together and fucked your shit up hardcore.

Because there was nothing to fight for. But that's too intellectual for you.

Ok Mr.SmugGerman take that a step further Mr.Intelectual.....why was there nothing left to fight for?

There was nothing left to fight for because we destroyed it. We fucked you up .

You know shit about winning wars. Thankfully, you're no commander.

Says the guy who thinks you win wars with hugs instead of bombs and bullets.

And Vietnam fucked you up, that's reality, too. All your bombing just made them fight even more and get more fighters, and support from China and other socialist countries.

It did not, it made a lot of Americans very wealthy, which was the objcetive. We had no interest in 'winning' anything other than defense spending.

Tell me why you've got the hearts and minds of South Korea, but not the ones of South Vietnam.

We don't....we have their pocket books

S. Korea and it's people at large are less than fond of Americans/American culture and are racist as fuck against white people.

But we do bidnizz. We protected them in exchange for cheap sneakers, cars, clothes and other products. They get to develop off the American tit and it's a triple bottom line win.

War is hardly the same as ever. Maybe in your conqueror's dreams.

I don't have conquerors dreams. War is still the same with regard to the topic, you have to fuck the enemy up to win.

Google won't tell me what you mean with "taking their shit".

I just checked and there it is. Apparently you can't read or understand one of the most self explanatory expressions in the English language.

If you haven't gotten it yet you never will because it can't be made any simpler.

Maybe, but that doesn't make you right. You can tell a lot of shit.

Dude every intelligence agency on the planet and most military folks who have been in the region along with every major news agency on the planet along with tens of thousands of Syrians telling us there are a bunch of fuckin' Syrian terrorist in Syria. It's ALL OVER THE INTERNET.

If you want to live in denial because you're living with a bunch of them now? That's your bidnizz....but the rest of the world knows better.

 

[PoppingTom]

Hey if you just want to make things up and try to stick them to me go ahead I'll just ignore it.

Good attitude. I'll adopt it.

The only reason they get orders to surrender is because they got fucked up.

No, they surrendered because Hitler was committing suicide.

If the 20th of July 1944 would have been a success and Hitler dead, Germany would have surrendered much earlier. This was the plan of the group around Stauffenberg. At that time, Germany was defensive, but not fucked up too much.

If there is no use in fighting it's because you got fucked up.

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. Fucking people up is a supporter, not necessarily a success warranty. It haven't worked in Vietnam.

If you lose any support of people, you surrender sooner or later, fucked up or not.

No one surrenders because things are going great for their war campaign

Whatever "going great" means. From a destroyers perspective, Vietnam was going great.

Not many...most had surrendered to allied force

Enough to keep us away from total surrender about a year. Not that I'm proud of it, but the devastation alone wasn't doing the job.

Ok Mr.SmugGerman take that a step further Mr.Intelectual.....why was there nothing left to fight for?

Because Hitler was dead. Hard to imagine, even for me, but that was the main reason.

Another reason was the rising opposition to Nazism anyway. For that, all the bombings were kind of counterproductive. But the opposition was big enough to keep Germany peaceful after war.

Says the guy who thinks you win wars with hugs instead of bombs and bullets.

You know you're lying.

It did not

That's why you're still there.

We don't....we have their pocket books

OK, why did you got their pocket books, and not the ones of Southern Vietnam ?

I don't have conquerors dreams.

You've got. Your whole language is full of it.

I just checked and there it is.

That's why you don't post it.

Poor man - talking shit, and can't explain it.......too bad!

Dude every intelligence agency on the planet and most military folks who have been in the region along with every major news agency on the planet along with tens of thousands of Syrians telling us there are a bunch of fuckin' Syrian terrorist in Syria.

ISIS isn't Syrian. Stop talking shit.

And you still refuse the answer: do you diversify muslim terrorists?

 

[Beco]

Pot makes you paranoid.

Not the new shit....

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, they surrendered because Hitler was committing suicide.

Enough to keep us away from total surrender about a year. Not that I'm proud of it, but the devastation alone wasn't doing the job.

Because Hitler was dead. Hard to imagine, even for me, but that was the main reason.

LMFAO!!! More patiorage deflection....fine let's follow this line of Poop from PoopingTom.

Why did Hitler off himself then? Was it because his plans of world domination were going well and his empire was thriving?

Or was it because his empire right into the homeland had been reduced to a pile of rubble, got a fuck ton of his starving, freezing people killed, military forces in total fucking shambles and surrounded by his enemies?

Right...so in the end Germany lost WWII because the allied forces fucked your shit up hardcore. We took everything from you and beat you and your people into total and absolute submission, unconditional surrender.

Another reason was the rising opposition to Nazism anyway.

Well after getting your fucking ass beat back to the god damn stone age for it I would imagine so.

It haven't worked in Vietnam.

Whatever "going great" means. From a destroyers perspective, Vietnam was going great.

You keep saying that but we didn't try in Vietnam. Because making the Vietnamese people submit wasn't the objective, drawing out the war for as long as possible was.

That's why you're still there.

No that's why defense contractors now outright own 1/2 the US government.

You keep thinking Vietnam was about beating Ho Chi Min into submission or stopping communism.... it wasn't.

As soon as you get that into your thick skull we can continue that conversation.

OK, why did you got their pocket books, and not the ones of Southern Vietnam ?

LOL I can hire Vietnamese slave labor for practically NOTHING and they are happy to do it. They will make me $0.50 T-shirts that I can sell to Americans and Eurotrash for $20.00-30.00 each all day every day. $2.50 sneakers I can sell for 150 bucks all day every day.

Getting the picture yet?

You've got. Your whole language is full of it.

No you have delusions of me full of it....you just make shit up to accuse me of.

Why?

That's why you don't post it.

Poor man - talking shit, and can't explain it.......too bad!

Dude it's self explanatory.

Giving shit/putting up with shit/dealing with shit...I don't k now how to put it any simpler.

Do you not know what shit means?

ISIS isn't Syrian. Stop talking shit.

And you still refuse the answer: do you diversify muslim terrorists?

You seem to understand the meaning of shit here....what's the problem? You suddenly don't get it and can't figure it out with the aid of the internet because I connected it to the IRA?

It's not talking shit, you're just in denial because you got a fuck load of them moving in...sorry but Syria is full of the mother fuckers, has been for years. Isis has quite a large number of Syrian members.

"diversify muslim terrorist" means muslim terrorists are now letting white/asian/latino members and non muslims join their fight. No I don't do that....it doesn't really even make sense.

Do you mean categorize terrorist? Differentiate? Classify?

Pick another word because diversify doesn't work....

 

[PoppingTom]

LMFAO!!! More patiorage deflection....fine let's follow this line of Poop from PoopingTom.

Why did Hitler off himself then? Was it because his plans of world domination were going well and his empire was thriving?

Or was it because his empire right into the homeland had been reduced to a pile of rubble, got a fuck ton of his starving, freezing people killed, military forces in total fucking shambles and surrounded by his enemies?

Hitler committed suicide because he not only failed miserably, but knew that, related to what he did to the Jews and the German people in general, he could expect no mercy from anybody.

Don't get me wrong: you defeated him, with tactics and warfare. If you had never ever bombed a German city, and defeated him without killing a single German, he'd still have committed suicide. He was a bad guy, and he knew it.

As for "fucking Germany up" - you know that he did that himself? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree)

Well after getting your fucking ass beat back to the god damn stone age for it I would imagine so.

But you're wrong in this. The bombings were more counterproductive for that development.

The rising opposition was because more and more of the Nazi war crimes came to public recognition. The fact that even very old people, kids and housewives should participate in the war. The Nero Decree, which was even opposed and ratten by some Nazi leaders. The fact Hitler fucked Germany up.

You keep saying that but we didn't try in Vietnam. Because making the Vietnamese people submit wasn't the objective, drawing out the war for as long as possible was.

If you're going to a war, you go to win. "Drawing the war as long as possible" doesn't make any sense, if you got winning in mind.

You keep thinking Vietnam was about beating Ho Chi Min into submission or stopping communism.... it wasn't.

In the beginning, it was to keep South Vietnam safe. Or, better said, to stop communism.

You may so far being the only one seeing another objective.

And which?

LOL I can hire Vietnamese slave labor for practically NOTHING

Why don't you do? It works in all the Tiger states, why not in Vietnam?

You get that there is a significant difference between South Korea and South Vietnam ? Not only political, but economically, too?

No you have delusions of me full of it....

Naa, I don't imagine your lack of empathy, your subhuman emperor rhetoric, your "slave" and "fucking back to stoneage", and your cleaving on this as the only tactics, even if it failed already, your abhorrence of human behavior not only towards fighting soldiers, but to people of their nations in general.

You're definitely not dreaming about world peace. More about world dominance.

Giving shit/putting up with shit/dealing with shit...I don't k now how to put it any simpler.

Do you not know what shit means?

How long does it take you to get that it's not about the shit, but about the "taking"?

How exactly did the Brits TAKE that?

"diversify muslim terrorist" means muslim terrorists are now letting white/asian/latino members and non muslims join their fight. No I don't do that....it doesn't really even make sense.

Do you mean categorize terrorist? Differentiate? Classify?

Pick another word because diversify doesn't work....

Ok, you're right, diversify is the wrong word, though it's used very often here in that context.

Distinguish is the right word. Do you distinguish muslim terrorists?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hitler committed suicide because he not only failed miserably, but knew that, related to what he did to the Jews and the German people in general, he could expect no mercy from anybody.

As for "fucking Germany up" - you know that he did that himself? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree)

Sooooo he committed suicide because the Allies fucked his shit up hardcore. That's what I said.

There was little if any damage done by the Nero decree.

"The decree was in vain. The responsibility for carrying it out fell on Albert Speer, Hitler's Minister of Armaments and War Production. Speer was appalled by the order and lost faith in the dictator. Just as von Choltitz had several months earlier, Speer deliberately failed to carry out the order. Upon receiving it,"

Germany was in rubble because the Allies bombed the fucking piss out of you.

Don't get me wrong: you defeated him, with tactics and warfare. If you had never ever bombed a German city, and defeated him without killing a single German, he'd still have committed suicide. He was a bad guy, and he knew it.

Thinking you can win a war without killing a single civilian is about the most dumb shit things I've ever seen on a screen and largely the reason ISIS is around. You can't just kill the bad guys, you have to kill their friends and families too. or you will just make more fighters against you.

But you're wrong in this. The bombings were more counterproductive for that development.

I don't think having your nation crushed for bad behavior is counterproductive for good behavior.....Germany has been quite well behaved since said ass whipping now hasn't it?

If you're going to a war, you go to win. "Drawing the war as long as possible" doesn't make any sense, if you got winning in mind.

In the beginning, it was to keep South Vietnam safe. Or, better said, to stop communism.

You may so far being the only one seeing another objective.

And which?

We didn't have winning in mind.

I'm not the only one seeing the other objective.

I've already told you, are you fucking illiterate or just stupid? The point of Vietnam was to make defense contractors filthy fucking rich and employ thousands and thousands of republicans. The stupidity of Vietnam and Iraq go away and they make perfect sense when you look at them through the perspective of 'follow the money'.

Why don't you do? It works in all the Tiger states, why not in Vietnam?

Why don't I? What do you mean I'm wearing shoes made in Vietnam ...and there is a good chance I have other products in the house I got a killer deal on because made by slaves in Vietnam.

You get that there is a significant difference between South Korea and South Vietnam ? Not only political, but economically, too?

Wow did you think of that all on your own?

Naa, I don't imagine your lack of empathy, your subhuman emperor rhetoric, your "slave" and "fucking back to stoneage", and your cleaving on this as the only tactics, even if it failed already, your abhorrence of human behavior not only towards fighting soldiers, but to people of their nations in general.

You're definitely not dreaming about world peace. More about world dominance.

Just because I don't dream about world peace like a fuckin' moron doesn't mean I'm more about world dominance. The world domination bit is just some shit you made up and tried to stick to me because you don't like the fact that I'm not buying some lefty bullshit notion that you can win wars with hugs, hot coco and not a single 'civilian' casualty. Not that any of this will stop you from trying to push these lies.

How long does it take you to get that it's not about the shit, but about the "taking"?

How exactly did the Brits TAKE that?

Did the Brits destroy the IRA?

Ok, you're right, diversify is the wrong word, though it's used very often here in that context.

Distinguish is the right word. Do you distinguish muslim terrorists?

In what way?

 

[PoppingTom]

Sooooo he committed suicide because he fucked his shit up hardcore.

/fixed

There was little if any damage done by the Nero decree.

Off course. The whole order was stupid and subhuman, Albert Speer rattened that decree wherever possible. But that wasn't the point.

You can hardly say you fucked Hitler up because you fucked Germany if he wanted to fuck Germany himself. In the end, all this bombing was just support of his decree, but you couldn't know that at that time.

Thinking you can win a war without killing a single civilian is about the most dumb shit things I've ever seen on a screen and largely the reason ISIS is around. You can't just kill the bad guys, you have to kill their friends and families too. or you will just make more fighters against you.

That's medieval thinking, and it's antiquated. We saw that in Vietnam: the more people you killed because you expected them to be supporters of the Vietcong, the more Vietcongs appeared. So it works the other way around, too.

And ISIS isn't around because you haven't killed people. Please don't tell such stupid shit.

I don't think having your nation crushed for bad behavior is counterproductive for good behavior.....Germany has been quite well behaved since said ass whipping now hasn't it?

You're right in this: it had an impact on the German war attitude after the war. So it wasn't usually a mistake.

But I stay to this: bombings are supporters, not successors. Not even in the Kosovo war, where you only did bombing.

We didn't have winning in mind.

Then, the Vietnam war wasn't a war. You'll hardly find people believe that shit.

I've already told you, are you fucking illiterate or just stupid? The point of Vietnam was to make defense contractors filthy fucking rich and employ thousands and thousands of republicans. The stupidity of Vietnam and Iraq go away and they make perfect sense when you look at them through the perspective of 'follow the money'.

Even if you follow the money, you can hardly tell you had no winning in mind. "The money" is all about winning. I'd go with saying you hadn't fighting in mind. But even this point is hard to hold. for long.

Why don't I? What do you mean I'm wearing shoes made in Vietnam ...and there is a good chance I have other products in the house I got a killer deal on because made by slaves in Vietnam.

Your Nike shoes are from Vietnam?

Wow did you think of that all on your own?

I take this as a "No, I never knew, because I'm the usual American Stupid who doesn't know anything about the world outside the US and confuse a lot of things"....

Just because I don't dream about world peace like a fuckin' moron doesn't mean I'm more about world dominance. The world domination bit is just some shit you made up and tried to stick to me because you don't like the fact that I'm not buying some lefty bullshit notion that you can win wars with hugs, hot coco and not a single 'civilian' casualty. Not that any of this will stop you from trying to push these lies.

Do you really think you can justify your fucked up attitude towards humanity to me?

If you're neither for world peace nor for world dominance, you're fight for something really stupid: nothing!

Did the Brits destroy the IRA?

They didn't have to. All they did was taking their legitimacy. And there was and still is no single fucking reason to do anything else. It was and is peaceful and sustainable.

Maybe THAT's your fucking problem.

In what way?

No matter what way. Terrorists are terrorists in my eyes, you have to fight them wherever they are. I don't distinguish.

Do you do?

 

[BotanyBoy]

/fixed

You can hardly say you fucked Hitler up because you fucked Germany if he wanted to fuck Germany himself.

LOL keep dodging it to keep pride in your great leader.

Why did he commit suicide? Cuz he got his ass kicked.

And I can absolutely say we fucked Hitler up because we bombed the shit out of Germany, because that's exactly what happened.

That's medieval thinking, and it's antiquated.

We saw that in Vietnam:

I never said it was progressive I said it was effective.

You keep bringing that fallacy up but it's just not true.
.

Then, the Vietnam war wasn't a war. You'll hardly find people believe that shit.

Oh it was a war. But not one for winning, it was one for generating money and it did a fucking amazing job of it. It was so fucking good they had to do it again in Iraq.

Even if you follow the money, you can hardly tell you had no winning in mind. "The money" is all about winning. I'd go with saying you hadn't fighting in mind. But even this point is hard to hold. for long.

No...The money is in taxing the USA for defense contracts, not in crushing a 3rd world shit hole as fast and effectively as possible.

Your Nike shoes are from Vietnam?

They aren't Nike....god damn you just can't help but make shit up a million miles an hr can you? LOL

But yes I have clothing products made in vietnam.

I take this as a "No, I never knew, because I'm the usual American Stupid who doesn't know anything about the world outside the US and confuse a lot of things"....

LOL I'm 1/2 Korean and spent a good chunk of my childhood there. And I've been to Vietnam 2x for work in the last 5 years. See what you get for being such a smug arrogant think you know it all German?

I was a well traveled military brat as a kid and continued to bounce around the globe as an adult until really the last 3 years. I'd bet money after traveling every continent on the globe except Antarctica for 30 years I've been to more countries than most.

Do you really think you can justify your fucked up attitude towards humanity to me?

If you're neither for world peace nor for world dominance, you're fight for something really stupid: nothing!

LOL this is all just shit you make up^^

They didn't have to. All they did was taking their legitimacy. And there was and still is no single fucking reason to do anything else. It was and is peaceful and sustainable.

Maybe THAT's your fucking problem.

From everything written on the subject the IRA was not peaceful, you're just living in denial.

No matter what way. Terrorists are terrorists in my eyes, you have to fight them wherever they are. I don't distinguish.

Do you do?

No.

 

[PoppingTom]

LOL keep dodging it to keep pride in your great leader.

You're funny. There's no dodging, it's simply the truth: you can't fuck up somebody who alrerady fucked up himself.

And how exactly should I "keep pride" in somebody who fucked my country up and lost the war? I'm no dumb Nazi. In your dreams, maybe.

we bombed the shit out of Germany

You like saying that, right?

I never said it was progressive I said it was effective.

In the middle Ages, yes. Today, no. There's no place in the world where it still works.

Oh it was a war. But not one for winning

Then it wasn't a war. What stupid things do you wanna tell me about wars for fun? You go into a war to win. Even if it needs 100 years and 99 years of it is just sitting and feeling bored and feed the locals, you do it to win. Anything else is bullshit.

The money is in taxing the USA for defense contracts...

If you ever do the math, you get that this is a business of loss. So this can hardly be the main reason.

But yes I have clothing products made in vietnam.

The question was if you got American products made in Vietnam.

LOL I'm 1/2 Korean and spent a good chunk of my childhood there. And I've been to Vietnam 2x for work in the last 5 years. See what you get for being such a smug arrogant think you know it all German?

I was a well traveled military brat as a kid and continued to bounce around the globe as an adult until really the last 3 years. I'd bet money after traveling every continent on the globe except Antarctica for 30 years I've been to more countries than most.

Then all this shit you're talking about is even more dumb. You're not ignorant, you're an ignoramus. Or you think "telling that German smug only shit to feed his arrogant behavior is fun". Maybe maybe.

So far, no reason to take back the No.

LOL this is all just shit you make up

What do I make up? My view?

My point still stands: you can hardly justify your fucked up attitude towards humanity to me. Maybe you was into war too often, maybe all that going places made you deracinated and apathic. Maybe that's why you don't get people, maybe that's why you deny them. Maybe because of your former job, you can't get empathy. And maybe you hate the thought that all the bombing and the killing was useless.

I totally get that. These thought aren't new for me. I had to deal with similar stuff after the fall of the Wall. I don't think you're a piece of shit, there are quite a lot of others on the board deserve much more to be called like that. But you've lost faith in humanity. That's obvious.

That's why I said: if you fight, you fight for nothing, really.

From everything written on the subject the IRA was not peaceful, you're just living in denial.

I don't care what the IRA was. I care what they are today. I care the Northern Ireland conflict is over, things are done in a civil manner, no reason for the IRA to do any shit, though they haven't reached their goal.

Too bad, there's nothing to shoot for you.

No.

Explain that "No", because, so far, your acting is a "yes".

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're funny. There's no dodging, it's simply the truth: you can't fuck up somebody who alrerady fucked up himself.

Why did he fuck himself up? Was his war effort going well and his nation thriving? His people were happy and doing well right?

In the middle Ages, yes. Today, no. There's no place in the world where it still works.

You're just in denial because it has always worked and been the only way war works since forever. No matter how bad you wish it to be wars aren't won with holding hands and singing kumbyah with the bad guys.

If you ever do the math, you get that this is a business of loss. So this can hardly be the main reason.

You should check your math because it's one of the most profitable businesses of all fucking time....

The question was if you got American products made in Vietnam.

The answer was yes, can you not read?

What do I make up?

All kinds of lies about me to suit your delusions.

I don't care what the IRA was. I care what they are today.

Because if you had to look at history you would see that I was right.

Explain that "No", because, so far, your acting is a "yes".

What don't you understand about no?

No you're assuming yes and trying to make it stick to fit your little fantasy world where you just make shit up about me.

 

[DeYaKen]

I don't care what the IRA was. I care what they are today. I care the Northern Ireland conflict is over, things are done in a civil manner, no reason for the IRA to do any shit, though they haven't reached their goal.

Too bad, there's nothing to shoot for you.



Explain that "No", because, so far, your acting is a "yes".

OK you guys stop arguing about Northern Ireland. There were a number of things that brought the troubles to an end but the pivotal moment came in 1993 and the first attack on the World Trade Centre.

People in the US said "so this is terrorism, we don't like this." When they appealed for international support, they were asked, "what is the difference between this and the activities your companies and people are financing in Northern Ireland. What is the difference between Afghanistan offering safe haven to al qaeda, and the US refusing to extradite convicted IRA terrorists?"

The good old US of A clamped down on the Noraid collections and IRA protection rackets. At the same time they politely asked the terrorists they had been shielding, to go elsewhere or they might find themselves facing charges in the US.

So with their main source of funding cut off and nowhere to hide They were forced to operate and stay in their own country. But in that country, the Brits were then perceived as being not so bad after all and the people desperately wanted to get back to a normal life. It became much more difficult to hide arms and wanted men. It was the lack of support from the people that eventually brought them to the negotiating table. The people's support waned because after twenty years they could see very little gain for their suffering. Just across the water, the people were going about their business just the same while they were virtually living under Martial law.

The Northern Ireland problem is not yet completely dealt with. There are still problems there. However, the numbers of people involved are tiny. At the moment, the political solution is working.

Now there is a reason why Botany Boy's solution, bombing the place until there was no one left there to fight, would not have worked. There are Irish immigrants all over the world, and large numbers of them would have come back to strike at us. Instead of having a problem we could contain we would have had one that had spread world wide. No, it was far better to make another cup of tea and talk about how tiresome these bloody terrorists were.

 

[PoppingTom]

Why did he fuck himself up?

Because he was megalomaniac and thought he is the only one who knows how to do war for real.

And he was a _HUGE_ supporter of your kind of warfare, and failed _EXACTLY_ because of this.

You're just in denial because it has always worked and been the only way war works since forever.

You can't name a single war of the last 100 years where _EXACTLY THIS_ worked. All America got by trying this was bad reputation and growing anti-americanism.

You should check your math because it's one of the most profitable businesses of all fucking time....

OK, let's do the math.

"In the entire war, the United States spent about $140 billion (worth around $950 billion in 2011 dollars) including $111 billion military cost and $25 billion economic and military aid to Saigon regime. At that rate, the United States spent approximately $140,000 for an “enemy” killed. However, $140 billion was only the direct cost. According to Indochina Newsletter of Asia Resource Center, the United States spent from $350 billion to $900 billion in total including veterans’ benefits and interests." (http://thevietnamwar.info/how-much-vietnam-war-cost/)

Nearly one trillion $ in costs from US side. The overall Vietnam GDP of 1987 was 14 billion, now, it's 186 billion. (google GDP vietnam) The war was about 20 years, to reach the break-even, Vietnam had to pay 47,5 billions per year, 3 times its BIP of 1985, nearly all of it from 2004. And the support was just about one half of Vietnam, with a much lower GDP than even 1985.

Profitable business?

The answer was yes, can you not read?

There wasn't a "yes" in your answer. Go back and figure.

All kinds of lies about me to suit your delusions.

"Lies" means I know better. But I don't. It's just guesswork from your actions. And your "No, I'm not like that" isn't much convincing.

Because if you had to look at history you would see that I was right.

I took a look at history of the last 1oo years, and I found out, you was wrong.

We can play this game till eternity, it's dumb, but fun.

What don't you understand about no?

I don't understand your obsessions with Syrians in general, muslim or not, compared to much any other kind of muslim terrorists - especially if you say "No, I don't distinguish muslim terrorists".

You rather lie - or follow a logic that doesn't foot in reality.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because he was megalomaniac and thought he is the only one who knows how to do war for real.

And did that happen because his campaign went well and his people were thriving or was it because he led them into an ass beating for the record books?


Keep defending your great leader!! LOL

You can't name a single war of the last 100 years where _EXACTLY THIS_ worked.

Every war ever worked this way....you're just in denial of reality. Hell you can't even admit you got your ass kicked in WWII, you're delusional!!

OK, let's do the math.


Profitable business?

You're doing it wrong.

There wasn't a "yes" in your answer. Go back and figure.

"Lies" means I know better. But I don't. It's just guesswork from your actions. And your "No, I'm not like that" isn't much convincing.

Then you have shit for reading comprehension and not it doesn't mean you know better it means you're making up bullshit.

I took a look at history of the last 1oo years, and I found out, you was wrong.

See there you go with lies again.

I don't understand your obsessions with Syrians in general, muslim or not, compared to much any other kind of muslim terrorists - especially if you say "No, I don't distinguish muslim terrorists".

You rather lie - or follow a logic that doesn't foot in reality.

I'm not obsessed with them you are. Syria is a land with a high concentration of terrorist and so letting Syrians into a country Syria has been claiming to hate and want to destroy for the past 20 years isn't exactly a bright idea.

It's right up there with inviting a cereal killer who's threatened your life and your families life over for dinner......dumber than all fuck, enjoy your new neighbors! LOL

 

[PoppingTom]

And did that happen because his campaign went well and his people were thriving or was it because he led them into an ass beating for the record books?

What "did happen"? Really not sure what you're on. He was megalomaniac, he was that from the beginning to the very end. What do you wanna tell me? You fucked Hitler 6 years of war up? Keep on dreaming. War isn't that easy.

Every war ever worked this way....

Bla bla bla. Repeating bullshit doesn't make it an argument. Still wait for the war in the last 100 years where you killed not only enemies, but their friends and families, too, and won.

You're doing it wrong.

Not convincing. I'm not afraid to show my math. You seem to.

Then you blablabla...

Keep on trolling.

I'm not obsessed with them

You get even wet dreams about them.

Syria is a land with a high concentration of terrorist

How many terrorists attacks in your country were made by Syrians? So far, none.

How many by Saudi-Arabs? Egypts? Pakistanis? Much much more. The whole of 9/11 is full of it.

You don't distinguish? YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR !!!!!!

 

[RUlookingup]

The whole of 9/11 is full of it.

Please do explain yourself?

 

[PoppingTom]

The whole of 9/11 is full of it.

Please do explain yourself?

Who flied the planes into the buildings? Syrians?

 

[phrodeau]

Who flied the planes into the buildings? Syrians?

I'm guessing that there were thousands of Syrians in New Jersey dancing in the streets.

 

[RUlookingup]

I'm guessing that there were thousands of Syrians in New Jersey dancing in the streets.

Schlong a long a ding dong

 

[BotanyBoy]

What "did happen"? Really not sure what you're on.

Did Germany lose WWII because your great leaders campaign went well and his people were thriving or was it because he led them into an ass beating for the record books?

Bla bla bla. Repeating bullshit doesn't make it an argument. Still wait for the war in the last 100 years where you killed not only enemies, but their friends and families, too, and won.

WWII, Korea, Desert Storm.

Not convincing. I'm not afraid to show my math. You seem to.

It's not about math....it's about who the government spent ALLLLLLLLL that money with.

Like I said, Vietnam and OIF/OEF were not about winning and they never were, they were about getting defense contractors paid.

How many terrorists attacks in your country were made by Syrians? So far, none.

That doesn't make Syria not a hotbed of terrorist activity including many many thousands of Syrian participants.

How many by Saudi-Arabs? Egypts? Pakistanis? Much much more. The whole of 9/11 is full of it.

Uh hua...and what part of that makes Syria not a high risk area jam fucking packed with radical Islamic terrorist?

QUOTE=PoppingTom;73948872]You don't distinguish? [/QUOTE]

No. A terrorist is a terrorist. Syrian or Saudi or whatever.

QUOTE=PoppingTom;73948872]YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR !!!!!![/QUOTE]

No you're delusional.

 

[DeYaKen]

That's not the same as I don't care...no matter how bad you want twist my words into meaning what you want them to mean.

Don't need to twist your words. This is what you said.

Glad to see you've already worked out how a war goes in your head.....man you're REALLY on a roll with making shit up.

I'd go back for fun, but I don't care about whose sons and daughters die...they volunteered as adults to go kill and be killed for the USA. And the USA needs to fucking clear out the middle east and own it, or GTFO and let the EU handle it with their epic smugness.

Now that clearly says that you don't care about them. so either you were lying then or you are lying now, which is it?

Ahh ignore what I actually said to fit your narrative....typical.

Nothing ignored the statement was either sexist or racist or both. You said it would be taken as racist I agreed with you.

Your extrapolations genius boy....still haven't shown your math, still full of shit until you do.

OK here it is in the simplest of terms, because it is a graphical technique you will need some Graph paper, a pencil and a ruler

Decide on a scale given the numbers involved.
Plot on your graph the number of tourists the year before 9/11
Next plot the point number immediately following 9/11 You will find the slope is negative.
you can fill in a few more years following that. you will find it creeps back but still not approaching the pre 9/11 levels. Finally plot last months results. Draw the best fit straight line you can and extend it into future years. You will not be able to go through all the points but try and make the line as close to them as you can get.

There you are simple isn't it.

No it's not...we have conventional weapons that can level 12 city blocks at a time, load up some 52's and the ISIS situation could be over in the morning but that wouldn't be PC OR drag this out for contractors now would it?

Well there you are, you said it yourself the bombs destroy property. But the people are not in the property, they are in the shelters. Didn't Hanoi teach you anything? So you've got bigger bombs now but it's the same ball game. Remember Einsteins definition of stupidity.

If you can see us then how come our F-22 kick the fucking piss out of your airforce long before anyone even knows where they are in training exercises?

The USA is the rich kid in NATO. Everybody knows if you upset the rich kid they pick up their toys and go home.

Yep the one and only F-117 ever shot down. I think it was luck.

That was why it was withdrawn from the theatre of operations was it? Because the Serbs got lucky? They knew it was coming and brought it down with a shoulder launched heat seeker.

You seem to forget the way the arms race works. You develop a new weapon they develop counter measures. If your system really works, you keep it as secret as possible so that you have the advantage for longer. You don't shout out 'Hey I've got this new technology that means you can't see me.' The minute you do they start working on getting round it. However, perception is reality so maybe we just pretend that it works, and get them to devote all their resources to a problem they don't have.
It's true that your F-117 shows up on radar as something resembling a flock of birds. but how many birds do you know that fly at 700 miles an hour?

There is an urban myth that says The USA spent millions developing a ballpoint pen that writes in zero gravity, the Russians used a pencil. I know it is a myth, for a start ballpoints have always worked in zero gravity, but it does show the difference in thinking. The US tries to solve everything with Technology, the Russians try to make what they already have, do more.

Still don't think some 3rd world arab shit hole with 50 year old MIG's and 35 y/o Russian SAM's is going to fair much better.

for such a cynical person you have tremendous faith in what your government and military tell you. Do you still believe that the U2 spy plane flew higher than any Russian missile?

Still don't think some 3rd world arab shit hole with 50 year old MIG's and 35 y/o Russian SAM's is going to fair much better.

No grantees ever...but they would have a better chance of winning the super lotto than getting an ancient piece of shit missile into the US.

Exactly No guarantees you may not think it is much of a risk but how many of your countrymen would think that way if you guess wrong.

And you're wrong, we did JUST fine against the native Americans and a number of other military conquest in the past simply crushed that shit just by killing everyone who fucked with them.

Oh really, You crushed the native Americans did you.
So the history books are all wrong. You didn't negotiate a settlement and offer them land of their own which turned out to be mainly useless. The history books say you conned them, but if you say you annihilated them then we have to believe you. I suppose the books are also wrong when they tell about how the Souix massacred your technically advanced army using crude primitive weapons at little big horn. They tell me that was retaliation for the type of action you advocate at wounded knee. But what do historians know?

Guerrilla war works when the enemy is bound by a bunch of PC rules and the guerrilla fighters are not. That's why it worked against the British back in the day and against the Americans in recent times.

No Guerilla war works when it has the support of the people. That's why it worked in Nicaragua, Cuba and yes Viet Nam. That is why punishing the people only makes it worse. We've had our fair shair of them, and long before anyone worried about being PC. Before the people back home even knew what was going on. Look at Kenya, the Zulu wars, Aden, Palestine and even Cyprus. Some were won and some weren't.

That's why we give them perks and parades.....keeps the sting of reality out of their eyes. Reality being the fact that they were whored out for a defense contract.

Well J.K. Galbraith (A Canadian, one time head of the federal reserve) sort of agrees with you. In his book The Age of Uncertainty, he says that the war came to an end because there was no longer any money in it. US forces had such a surplus of equipment, much of it was sold off or scrapped. However, he does not agree on the start. He blames that on the infamous domino theory.

I don't think you do, I think you look down at us and regularly talk shit about the USA like most smug Eurotrash. Good, stay the fuck out.

well thank you for that, I will treasure the thought.

Yea...that's what trying to wage a CNN approved politically correct war will get you.

Doesn't say much for your generals does it? They are the ones who invite CNN and have them embedded into your forces.

Know what happens when you take out a HUGE chunk of the population? unconditional surrender, every fuckin' time.

So you kill a huge chunk of the population but out in Syria you are killing the very people that ISIS doesn't give a shit about, in fact you are saving them a job. how does that work then?

In France Eisenhower implemented your idea in Caen. The bombing killed more French people than the Germans did during the whole of the war. Did the SS surrender? No. Montgomery had them completely cut off from all supplies. Only when they had no food and no ammunition did they surrender. Caen was flattened but most of the SS soldiers survived.

Is it horrible and ugly? Sure...but it gets results that feel good warm fuzzy warfare shit you and the other idiots push don't.

That simply doesn't happen when everyone standing on their side is dead. That happens when you get PC about war and take out one bad guy while leaving all his supporters standing to fight another day.

Still don't understand how guerilla war works do you. They strike then run away to hide. when you've finished all your killing they come back. He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.

People always trying to fuck me over and smiling at my face while they talk shit about me behind my back. Why on Earth would I want to surround myself with that shit?

Thank you for this little discussion. I've long wondered why it is that the Swiss can handle a free gun society without all the massacres and murders, but the Americans cannot. I think I am beginning to understand.

 

[PoppingTom]

Did Germany lose WWII because your great leaders campaign went well and his people were thriving or was it because he led them into an ass beating for the record books?

Can you ask questions with reason instead of Ali G questions?

Germany lost because Hitler. He underrated Russia and the allies. He underrated a 2 front war. He thought, much like you, that you win no wars with hugs, so he made himself much more enemies than necessary.

That's all. No fancy of your underdone history guesswork.

WWII, Korea, Desert Storm.

Oh really?

Did you kill Goebbels, his wife and his kids? No, he did that himself.
Did you kill Hitlers very best friend, Albert Speer? You don't.

You even didn't kill Saddam Hussein. The Iraqis did.

And no, this is not ignorance from your side. You simply LYING !!!

It's not about math....

It's not about winning, it's not about business (what business is without math?), what comes next? It's not about war?

Man, you don't get points with LYING !!!

That doesn't make Syria not a hotbed of terrorist activity including many many thousands of Syrian participants.

Man, these are not terrorist activities, these are WAR activities, because Syria is a WAR ZONE, that's why people flee out of it.

If you're into terrorists activities to be called like that, better take a look at Baghdad, or at Pakistan, or the US.

A terrorist is a terrorist. Syrian or Saudi or whatever.

Except you'd shoot the Syrian and hug the Saudi. Because America.

That's why I call you A FUCKING LIAR !!!!!!