Why is everything labeled as AI now????? I can't even post a story anymore.

[onehitwanda]

I want to read badly written works by humans

I have a treat for you, then.

 

[StillStunned]

I have a treat for you, then.

I didn't know you were a fan of my stories!

 

[onehitwanda]

I didn't know you were a fan of my stories!

Even you, a cat, are not sad enough to attempt to murder critics by hitting them on the head with a wine bottle. You'd just disembowel them; there's a certain honour to that.

 

[StillStunned]

Even you, a cat, are not sad enough to attempt to murder critics by hitting them on the head with a wine bottle. You'd just disembowel them; there's a certain honour to that.

I never heard this story.

And I probably wouldn't disembowel my critics: I'd just bombard them with puns. A fate worse than death.

 

[Erozetta]

I have a treat for you, then.

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[onehitwanda]

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It will always be too soon.

 

[YmaOHyd]

It will always be too soon.

Karmic retribution for this:

 

[StillStunned]

And I probably wouldn't disembowel my critics: I'd just bombard them with puns. A fate worse than death.

And because this thread is already derailed...

I read a story of revenge years ago, back in the days when you had to pay to send and receive text messages, and they had a 140(?)-character limit. Apparently person A made a deal with person B to sell something. Person B never paid. So person A got on their computer, copied the Complete Works of William Shakespeare into an online SMS service and sent it to person B's telephone.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Karmic retribution for this:
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Blasphemy. He is rocking that.

 

[onehitwanda]

Blasphemy. He is rocking that.

The Hawaiian shirt or the clit-sander?

 

[AwkwardMD]

The Hawaiian shirt or the clit-sander?

Hard yes

 

[onehitwanda]

Hard yes

I feel like that mustache can commit sexual harassment from another time zone.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Does the average piece posted here have the correct number of fingers? Is it tonally coherent? Is it grammatically coherent? Honestly, no, no and no.

You've shifted the goalposts. The discussion is about AI junk, you've introduced the mediocre writing that is rampant on Lit - which I absolutely agree. Two different discussions, in my mind.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I feel like that mustache can commit sexual harassment from another time zone.

On Alan Tudyk?! That moustache will cook you breakfast.

 

[YmaOHyd]

You've shifted the goalposts. The discussion is about AI junk, you've introduced the mediocre writing that is rampant on Lit - which I absolutely agree. Two different discussions, in my mind.

Well, the question -- to me -- was about whether AI junk was better than the writing of the average human. We have a big pile of average-human-writing here. Seems a reasonable point of comparison.

 

[YmaOHyd]

I feel like that mustache can commit sexual harassment from another time zone.

Well Nathan Fillion's looks like it could commit crimes against humanity.

 

[onehitwanda]

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Well Nathan Fillion's looks like it could commit crimes against humanity.

Um... Gina Torres' is giving me difficulties of another kind.

 

[YmaOHyd]

Um... Gina Torres' is giving me difficulties of another kind.

 

[IWroteThis]

I meant humans.

So it was intentional?

I dont believe high school improves anybody's writing skills, so I would have also not considered that,

Well, that would explain the grammatical error in that sentence…

Sorry, but good grammar is a writing skill, and it's not something you're going to pick up by accident. There's a reason why language skills are part of every grade level in K-12 and colleges require at least one to get your degree.

but I did mean people over (insert magical age at which you believe people become 'old enough' for whatever).

It's not about being "old enough." It's about having the knowledge and ability that make the individuals relevant to the discussion about the quality of writing skills. Statistics are meaningless if they're padded with irrelevant data to skew them.

I can't define 'writer'.

Well, I suspect you would prefer to use "anybody who writes" so you can lump those grade school kids back in, but I would think that something along the lines of "somebody who writes things other than personal correspondence for others to read" would be better. For best results, I would suggest something more like "somebody who writes fictional stories for public consumption." Writing non-fiction and fiction are not completely overlapping skill sets, and don't get me started on writing documentation.

However, I would be comfortable saying that AI can write better fiction than a non-trivial proportion of the people who submit stories here.

And had you actually said that, you probably would have received a lot less backlash.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Well, the question -- to me -- was about whether AI junk was better than the writing of the average human. We have a big pile of average-human-writing here. Seems a reasonable point of comparison.

Fair comment, but your original post on the matter claimed "good" - which the sample posted certainly wasn't.

I'd disagree your claim that it's better than Lit's worst content, though. At least with the latter you can see the author has at least tried, even if technically they might not have a clue, whereas the AI sample you gave was word salad.

 

[YmaOHyd]

Fair comment, but your original post on the matter claimed "good" - which the sample posted certainly wasn't.

This is my first post on the matter:

I think, yeah, that up there is about as good as a decent-enough Lit story. It's better than the majority of what gets released here every day.

"as good as a decent-enough Lit story" is not the same as "good".

the AI sample you gave was word salad.

It's really not. It's bland and deeply boring, written like most of the stories it shares a genre with, but it's not confused, unintelligible or random. The narrator can sense people's emotions. She's counting pins as a distraction from the party happening at her mother's house. Her mother's disappointed with her, and also drunk. She lies to her mom. I think you're seeing what you want to see here.

 

[metropolinational]

Well, that would explain the grammatical error in that sentence…

the sentence is perfectly clear. I dont generally worry about grammar beyond that point. I prefer to ride my bicycle without training wheels.
in any case, English is my third language. I would not have been able to benefit from K-12 English even if I believed in such a thing.

 

[IWroteThis]

the sentence is perfectly clear.

If you're satisfied with perfectly clear but clearly wrong, that's on you.

I dont generally worry about grammar beyond that point.

In hindsight, I guess I was foolish to presume you were counting yourself amongst the 5-10%. Clearly, you fall in the 90-95% instead. It does make it clearer why you believe it to be true.

I prefer to ride my bicycle without training wheels.

Well, if you want to compare riding a bike to writing fiction, I have bad news for you. Training wheels would correspond to an editor, not foundational skills like grammar.

in any case, English is my third language. I would not have been able to benefit from K-12 English even if I believed in such a thing.

Way to try to avoid the point by focusing on the specific language mentioned, only to strengthen my point.

Or, are you saying that you were not taught language arts for any language when you were in school?

 

[metropolinational]

Or, are you saying that you were not taught language arts for any language when you were in school?

I took grammar in two different languages. It was a fairly useless field in both cases. I have zero training in English grammar. I'm glad you find it useful.

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In hindsight, I guess I was foolish to presume you were counting yourself amongst the 5-10%. Clearly, you fall in the 90-95% instead.

No, you were not foolish. I did count myself among the 5%.

 

[metropolinational]

I think you're seeing what you want to see here.

At least @AwkwardMD admitted the obvious. And he is far less petulant than @IWroteThis. Overall, among the insufferable people that populate this forum, I would give @AwkwardMD top marks.