Why is everything labeled as AI now????? I can't even post a story anymore.

[TheStefanSinadinovicLore]

Did that work? Did the story get approved?

Nope I just got rejected this morning.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Nope I just got rejected this morning.

Was there any difference in the wording of the rejection from last time?

 

[kallaikoi]

Indeed. Literotica is still the best, but it's not actually good (anymore).

I don’t think it’s the best, but it’s definitely one of the most popular. I acknowledge that it’s only for that reason that I’ve insisted on being published.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Did I say you said it? I said that it's the response people always get, and that it happened in the first page of this thread.



That was simply because you made a personal appeal for respect, and articulated the reasons why a writer would reasonably object to this kind of response. That made for a better jumping-off point for my reply than the post you were agreeing with.

I think my post was pretty clear that it was criticizing the loudest contingent of posters rather than attacking you. At most I was calling on you to apply some introspection and empathy: "I don't like it when people do this to me, so I should speak up when they do it to others."



I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know you from Adam (I'm not enough of a regular here to remember more than a very few "forum personalities"), and was responding solely to what you wrote.

Next time you want to make a sober, general point, and then gaslight about what you did, it leave me the fuck out of it, OK?

Don’t attach your comments to those of someone who isn’t guilty of your alleged offense and use ‘you’ in the text. Surprisingly, people don’t like that shit.

 

[TheStefanSinadinovicLore]

Was there any difference in the wording of the rejection from last time?

I’ve tried everything at this point. I’ve intentionally written awkward paragraphs. I’ve added extra spacing between sentences. I’ve dumbed the prose down. I’ve polished it up and down. No matter what I do, it gets flagged.

If I write badly, it’s flagged as AI.
If I write well, it’s flagged as AI.

So yeah apparently I’m just screwed either way.

And every single time, it’s the exact same copy-paste response:

Dear Writer,
Thank you for your submission to Literotica. We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to write a story and submit it to our site. However, we've found that we cannot post your submission in its current form. The checklist below may help you in re-examining your manuscript.
Are you using Grammarly, ProWritingAid, Quillbot or similar software, or allowing Microsoft Word grammar check to change your words? Many modern writing packages incorporate AI. Literotica is a storytelling community centered on the sharing of human fantasies. While we do not have a policy against using tools to help with the writing process (i.e. sp, grammar check, etc.), we do ask that all work published on Literotica be created primarily by a human.
If you are using a grammar check program to review your work so that you can make changes (as a spellcheck, to flag punctuation, review grammar, and/or occasionally as a thesaurus), that should be fine. If you are allowing a grammar check program to “rewrite” your words or rephrase your text, that may cross the line into AI generated text/stories (since substantial parts of the final draft may not be written by you). Please see this FAQ for more information: https://literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai
NOTE: the sentence at the end of this response [[Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions.]] does not apply to stories rejected for content or AI issues. Volunteer Editors can help only with grammar, punctuation, and story mechanics issues and are not equipped to deal with AI issues. You may resubmit after you’ve made revisions.

What makes this especially frustrating is that they won’t say what actually triggered the flag.

Was it a sentence?
A word choice?
The pacing?
The style?
The plot itself?

There’s no feedback just a blanket rejection.

People have literally run Shakespeare through AI detectors and gotten 100% AI-generated results. If Shakespeare gets flagged, what chance does anyone else have?

Until they improve their detection system or at least start being specific about what they’re rejecting it feels like there’s no winning. You’re guilty either way

 

[AwkwardMD]

I’ve tried everything at this point. I’ve intentionally written awkward paragraphs. I’ve added extra spacing between sentences. I’ve dumbed the prose down. I’ve polished it up and down. No matter what I do, it gets flagged.

If I write badly, it’s flagged as AI.
If I write well, it’s flagged as AI.

So yeah apparently I’m just screwed either way.

And every single time, it’s the exact same copy-paste response:




What makes this especially frustrating is that they won’t say what actually triggered the flag.

Was it a sentence?
A word choice?
The pacing?
The style?
The plot itself?

There’s no feedback just a blanket rejection.

People have literally run Shakespeare through AI detectors and gotten 100% AI-generated results. If Shakespeare gets flagged, what chance does anyone else have?

Until they improve their detection system or at least start being specific about what they’re rejecting it feels like there’s no winning. You’re guilty either way

Literotica is neither the Wizard of Oz, cowering behind a curtain while twirling a villainous moustache, nor an abattoir designed specifically to crush your heart and spirit before grinding you into bits. The submissions process is a test and you are failing.

It is not a test of writing badly or goodly. It is not a test of whether you know too much grammar or not enough. It is not biased against those for whom English their second or third language (though the site is, undeniably, English-centric). It is not a test of style, or sounding a certain amount like (or not like) Shakespeare, or varying your sentence length.

Stop trying literary homeopathy. Stop making assumptions about things you don't know, and control what you can.

Write your story yourself. Edit it yourself, or with the help of a human volunteer editor. Write something simple, with joy and some passion, and be amazed.

 

[TheStefanSinadinovicLore]

Literotica is neither the Wizard of Oz, cowering behind a curtain while twirling a villainous moustache, nor an abattoir designed specifically to crush your heart and spirit before grinding you into bits. The submissions process is a test and you are failing.

It is not a test of writing badly or goodly. It is not a test of whether you know too much grammar or not enough. It is not biased against those for whom English their second or third language (though the site is, undeniably, English-centric). It is not a test of style, or sounding a certain amount like (or not like) Shakespeare, or varying your sentence length.

Stop trying literary homeopathy. Stop making assumptions about things you don't know, and control what you can.

Write your story yourself. Edit it yourself, or with the help of a human volunteer editor. Write something simple, with joy and some passion, and be amazed.

I think there may be a misunderstanding here, so I want to clarify what I am actually doing

I do write my stories myself. I edit them multiple times on my own, then seek feedback from volunteer editors on this site, make further revisions based on that feedback, and review the work again before submitting. This is not a matter of skipping steps or assuming things I don’t know I am already following the process you describe.

That’s why I’m frustrated: despite doing all of this, my submissions are still being flagged, and I’m trying to understand why. My question isn’t about avoiding effort or responsibility, but about identifying the specific issue that remains after careful writing, editing, and revision.

If there’s something concrete I’m missing, I’d appreciate it being pointed out directly. That would be far more helpful than general advice I’m already applying.

Thank you for your time i guess

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think there may be a misunderstanding here, so I want to clarify what I am actually doing

I do write my stories myself. I edit them multiple times on my own, then seek feedback from volunteer editors on this site, make further revisions based on that feedback, and review the work again before submitting. This is not a matter of skipping steps or assuming things I don’t know I am already following the process you describe.

That’s why I’m frustrated: despite doing all of this, my submissions are still being flagged, and I’m trying to understand why. My question isn’t about avoiding effort or responsibility, but about identifying the specific issue that remains after careful writing, editing, and revision.

If there’s something concrete I’m missing, I’d appreciate it being pointed out directly. That would be far more helpful than general advice I’m already applying.

Thank you for your time i guess

Post three paragraphs here. You’re not allowed to post more, especially if you’ve had the text rejected.

Writing badly is not the solution as I pointed out before. That’s an old wives’ tale.

And can you provide a citation vis a vis Shakespeare as I’m kinda calling BS on that.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I think there may be a misunderstanding here, so I want to clarify what I am actually doing

I do write my stories myself. I edit them multiple times on my own, then seek feedback from volunteer editors on this site, make further revisions based on that feedback, and review the work again before submitting. This is not a matter of skipping steps or assuming things I don’t know I am already following the process you describe.

That’s why I’m frustrated: despite doing all of this, my submissions are still being flagged, and I’m trying to understand why. My question isn’t about avoiding effort or responsibility, but about identifying the specific issue that remains after careful writing, editing, and revision.

If there’s something concrete I’m missing, I’d appreciate it being pointed out directly. That would be far more helpful than general advice I’m already applying.

Thank you for your time i guess

What did I say at the start of this topic?

You see in many posts the not so subtle implication that you're somehow cheating with your stories. You won't find the understanding you're hoping for in this forum. Try to experiment and change some aspect of your writing if you're hung up on publishing here, or simply find a different website.

There's no changing reality. Laurel does what Laurel does, and I don't see her changing her approach in the foreseeable future. And whatever she does, the AH will chant her name.

Best of luck is all I can say. Try other websites or keep experimenting and trying. It's all up tp you.

 

[AwkwardMD]

If there’s something concrete I’m missing, I’d appreciate it being pointed out directly. That would be far more helpful than general advice I’m already applying.

This can't be done. Not in the way you are asking. The site is attempting to keep out LLM-generates content, because LLM-generates content is an existential threat to Literotica as it exists today. How the detector works, and what the test is testing for, are locked inside a black box. The black box wouldn't work if everyone understood it. Everyone and everything could circumvent it, defeating the purpose.

To be clear, it works now. It is not immune to false positives, but it does work. Hundreds of stories are published everyday following the basic instructions of write it yourself, and edit it yourself.

Stop assuming and stop trying. Just write. I'm trying to get you onto some zen shit, so stop rolling your eyes and find some inner peace.

 

[kallaikoi]

Write your story yourself. Edit it yourself, or with the help of a human volunteer editor. Write something simple, with joy and some passion, and be amazed.

The problem is when you do that and the system is still saying you are failing. And even worse, the human side does not care if you are struggling. They have a feedback ticketing system and they do not reply to the tickets. So it is not just about failing or not failing against a test. It is more than that.

The submissions process is a test and you are failing.

If you tell me that my stories will be published if I comply with your guidelines and I am complying with them, then it is not me who is failing your system, it is your system that is failing.

If you repeatedly tell me that I am violating a certain part of your guidelines and that is not true, and you do not give me the option to prove it or to demonstrate it in any way, or at least to discuss it, then it is not me who is failing, it is your system that is failing.

If you give me the option to submit feedback tickets and you do not respond to them, not once, not twice, and not just to one person, then it is not me who is failing the system, it is the system that is failing.

If, in addition, you are making money through the contributions of people who are being affected by the system in some way, and there is no way for them to fix the situation because there is no mechanism and no option given, they try and try and are not given the option, despite supposedly complying with the guidelines, then it is not us who are failing the system, it is the system that is failing.

And after months of not trying to fix it (no way after several months), after months of not communicating absolutely anything about these issues, and simply letting people drown or suffer, it is the system that is failing.

 

[AwkwardMD]

You see in many posts the not so subtle implication that you're somehow cheating with your stories.

Don't be feeble. It's a "Did you cheat?" test. Failing at all is a red flag.

 

[AwkwardMD]

The problem is when you do that and the system is still saying you are failing. And even worse, the human side does not care if you are struggling. They have a feedback ticketing system and they do not reply to the tickets. So it is not just about failing or not failing against a test. It is more than that.



If you tell me that my stories will be published if I comply with your guidelines and I am complying with them, then it is not me who is failing your system, it is your system that is failing.

If you repeatedly tell me that I am violating a certain part of your guidelines and that is not true, and you do not give me the option to prove it or to demonstrate it in any way, or at least to discuss it, then it is not me who is failing, it is your system that is failing.

If you give me the option to submit feedback tickets and you do not respond to them, not once, not twice, and not just to one person, then it is not me who is failing the system, it is the system that is failing.

If, in addition, you are making money through the contributions of people who are being affected by the system in some way, and there is no way for them to fix the situation because there is no mechanism and no option given, they try and try and are not given the option, despite supposedly complying with the guidelines, then it is not us who are failing the system, it is the system that is failing.

And after months of not trying to fix it (no way after several months), after months of not communicating absolutely anything about these issues, and simply letting people drown or suffer, it is the system that is failing.

Write your story yourself. Edit it yourself, or with the help of a volunteer editor. This is the only way.

 

[AwkwardMD]

If you need me to be your villain then fine, but I have been consistent on how to be published in the presence of Lit's AI detector for nearly two years at this point and I have receipts.

I'm not telling you how to fix your story, I'm telling you how to start over. From scratch.

 

[desperado1089]

Write your story yourself. Edit it yourself, or with the help of a volunteer editor. This is the only way.

I'm gonna unwatch this thread, because it is filled with blithering morons like you who refuse to acknowledge that...


THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OP IS DOING!!!!!

Shit like this makes me wonder if the accusations of cult behavior regarding the site and its leaders have merit. Yeesh. And before you go off and tell me "well, [you] have no proof," YOU also have no proof that they ARE "cheating".

OP, I wish you the best, but it seems more and more that remaining here and beating your head against the wall is not the way to achieve that.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I'm gonna unwatch this thread, because it is filled with blithering morons like you who refuse to acknowledge that...


THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OP IS DOING!!!!!

Shit like this makes me wonder if the accusations of cult behavior regarding the site and its leaders have merit. Yeesh. And before you go off and tell me "well, [you] have no proof," YOU also have no proof that they ARE "cheating".

OP, I wish you the best, but it seems more and more that remaining here and beating your head against the wall is not the way to achieve that.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know how the detector works. I know what it's looking for, and I know what it means if it finds it. Knowing what I know, I have tried to be as much help as I can (though, often, not in the way those receiving rejections would want).

I'm not unsympathetic, but neither am I moved by using all caps or excessive exclamation points. Or insults. I don't care if you believe me or not. I am doing the best that I can, and that's all one person can do.

 

[metropolinational]

I'm not unsympathetic, but neither am I moved by using all caps or excessive exclamation points. Or insults. I don't care if you believe me or not. I am doing the best that I can, and that's all one person can do.

You are literally telling the OP that they used AI to write their story and that they should try not cheating the system next time.

 

[Writer61]

And every single time, it’s the exact same copy-paste response:

There’s no feedback just a blanket rejection.

I agree, but the alternative, a set of boilerplate responses, would be longer approval times.

 

[metropolinational]

To be clear, it works now. It is not immune to false positives, but it does work. Hundreds of stories are published everyday following the basic instructions of write it yourself, and edit it yourself.

You have no evidence of this. You have no idea how many AI stories are getting through, nor any idea how many people are getting fed up with the system and leaving, without posting once in these forums (in larger part thanks to people like you). You are simply assuming the system works because it suits you.

 

[AwkwardMD]

You are literally telling the OP that they used AI to write their story and that they should try not cheating the system next time.

I'm sorry that this is your only exposure to my many posts on the subject.

No. I am not saying that, though AwkwardlySet loves to imply as much by being vague when he talks about "some people." Most AI rejections are for AI use. The problem, the edge cases, comes from writing tools being less than up front about how they engage with your story. Many writers are running up against rejections using the same process they've used for years, and the tragedy is that both sides are right.

The best option is to refocus, rather than navel gazing and shaking your fist at a wall that isn't listening to you.

 

[PennyThompson]

As for tools, nothing fancy mostly my keyboard and Word, and sometimes I just write straight in the Literotica editor.

I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative or accusatory, but... "Mostly," is a strange word to use here given the situation.

And unfortunately, even Word now has integrated LLM services that do more than just spell check. Depending on the edition and settings, it might offer editing functions that are similar to grammarly, or it might even try to auto-complete sentences for you.

 

[AwkwardMD]

You have no evidence of this. You have no idea how many AI stories are getting through, nor any idea how many people are getting fed up with the system and leaving, without posting once in these forums (in larger part thanks to people like you). You are simply assuming the system works because it suits you.

I reverse engineered the AI detector here. I have evidence. I'm not going to show you, though, and I promise you that having my character dragged repeatedly does not suit me.

The detector is a black box that works only through it's indecipherability. It must remain so. I'm sorry that I can't give you more.

Write it yourself. Edit it yourself, or with the help of a volunteer editor.

 

[metropolinational]

I reverse engineered the AI detector here. I have evidence. I'm not going to show you, though, and I promise you that having my character dragged repeatedly does not suit me.

How convenient.

 

[metropolinational]

I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative or accusatory, but... "Mostly," is a strange word to use here given the situation.

And unfortunately, even Word now has integrated LLM services that do more than just spell check. Depending on the edition and settings, it might offer editing functions that are similar to grammarly, or it might even try to auto-complete sentences for you.

Good lord. Listen to yourselves. So, we can't use Word anymore? Just papyrus, or, if you are a real Lit purist, chisel and stone?

 

[metropolinational]

The best option is to refocus, rather than navel gazing and shaking your fist at a wall that isn't listening to you.

The best option is for YOU to stop using these threads to tell people that they are cheating. It's not helpful, it's insulting, and it's hurting the site.