Do guns make us more safe?

[RoryN]

I would argue that the vast majority of pro-gun nuts in this thread have proven beyond any doubt that they have diminished cognitive fuction.

Hand over the guns, please.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Masks are like seat belts. Vaccines are like air bags. If you drive recklessly you increase your chances of being in an accident, but you aren't ever guaranteed to get in one. If you do get in one you're more likely to survive with those protections. If you do get in one, other people who you endanger that way also are more likely to survive with those protections. But nothing is guaranteed. Sometimes people who are safe drivers and wear seat belts and have air bags still get in accidents and die. Sometimes the exact opposite happens.

But everyone who isn't politically and/or financially motivated otherwise knows the data and the logic and the facts all show these are good and safe and smart measures. And if you follow the experts who also aren't politically and/or financially motivated otherwise they all back that up too.

Not shockingly, the same is true about guns and gun violence and gun deaths. Unless they are politically and/or financially motivated otherwise, they all know the data and facts and evidence and logic show that guns do not make anyone safer.

I was never vaccinated, neither was my wife. We both had covid twice, it was no worse than a cold or perhaps a sinus infection and left no long term effects for either one of us. My brother in law had the vaccination and boosters and was hospitalized and almost died. He has one comorbidity and I have 2. If the vaccine works so well why was he on death's door and I had virtually no symptoms at all? I understand vaccinations very well. I am old enough that the polio vaccine was brand spanking new when I was a child. The vaccine virtually wiped out new cases of polio because it actually worked. It didn't maybe work, or sometimes work, or require multiple boosters to work, it just worked. But as far as masks go experts have stated clearly of late that the use of masks made virtually no difference at all in stopping transmission of covid.

As for guns and feeling safe. This will be debated until the end of time. Bad people, or mentally ill people, with guns will do bad things. Law abiding citizens with guns will not do bad things with guns and actually may protect their loved ones or others with them.

 

[Lazaran]

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An anecdata set of one from a proven liar.

Well that settles it.

The Covid vaccine does more harm than good.

 

[ll74]

I would want my family to intervene IF that were the case, and remove possible weapons. That's the only way I would be a threat to others, by declining cognitive function. And I'd never want to harm an innocent person, which is what the majority of good people want.

Thank you. That's what I was looking for.

 

[Dribble]

"Law abiding" citizens are law abiding until they aren't. I wonder...why there is no evidence that guns make law abiding people safer? Surely...data supports that belief.

 

[TrailerHitch]

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An anecdata set of one from a proven liar.

Well that settles it.

The Covid vaccine does more harm than good.

Yawn...The stalker returns. Turn a page you are boring everyone.

 

[TomTeacher19]

"Law abiding" citizens are law abiding until they aren't. I wonder...why there is no evidence that guns make law abiding people safer? Surely...data supports that belief.

Yeah they are "law abiding" but only when the law serves what they want, after that they turn into "take my guns from my cold, dead hands" proving they don't care about law at all. Which actually makes sense because they also pretend they aren't associated with the problems of gun violence and gun deaths even though they are out there pushing for no restrictions and no limits and no safety thus proving the don't actually care how bad the problems are, they just want to keep their murder toys.

 

[adrina]

Law Abiding Citizen #1

Law Abiding Citizen #2

Law Abiding Citizen #3

Three Law Abiding Under-age Citizens

Two Law Abiding Brothers

Just a quick search. Took less than 5 minutes to compile all of these. There's more. Many many more.

They're all law abiding. Until they're not.

 

[HisArpy]

Someone's upset.

Then you should take a Midol and lie down for a little while.

 

[HisArpy]

That is also not what vaccines do

Clever. Stupid as all fuck, but clever. If, that is, you're an idjit...

 

[HisArpy]

"Law abiding" citizens are law abiding until they aren't. I wonder...why there is no evidence that guns make law abiding people safer? Surely...data supports that belief.

If you refuse to look you will never see the data you say you've never seen.

OTOH...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082/

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/c...nsive-gun-use-statistic-so-they-hid-the-data/



Now you can longer say there's no evidence. You can disagree with the evidence, but you cannot deny it exists.

Unless of course you stay true to character.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Yeah they are "law abiding" but only when the law serves what they want, after that they turn into "take my guns from my cold, dead hands" proving they don't care about law at all. Which actually makes sense because they also pretend they aren't associated with the problems of gun violence and gun deaths even though they are out there pushing for no restrictions and no limits and no safety thus proving the don't actually care how bad the problems are, they just want to keep their murder toys.

Bull Shit. Who are you to speak for me as a gun owner, let alone all of us gun owners, that never break the law?

 

[TomTeacher19]

Bull Shit. Who are you to speak for me as a gun owner, let alone all of us gun owners, that never break the law?

So if the laws changed to say all private gun ownership was illegal, you would happily and immediately surrender all your guns?

 

[TrailerHitch]

So if the laws changed to say all private gun ownership was illegal, you would happily and immediately surrender all your guns?

It would take a Constitutional Amendment to make that happen. So your premise is frankly stupid.

 

[HisArpy]

So if the laws changed to say all private gun ownership was illegal, you would happily and immediately surrender all your guns?

^ lives in a dream world.

 

[icanhelp1]

Bull Shit. Who are you to speak for me as a gun owner, let alone all of us gun owners, that never break the law?

^ lives in a dream world.

Did I miss something here? Did democrats turn in all their guns?

 

[HisArpy]

Did I miss something here? Did democrats turn in all their guns?

The D's still need their guns for when they line the R's up against the wall. It's only the R's who don't need them.

 

[TomTeacher19]

It would take a Constitutional Amendment to make that happen. So your premise is frankly stupid.

Exactly. It's a hypothetical that is currently very unlikely, which also means you were served up on a silver platter the easiest opportunity to state you really are law abiding, but you still didn't because you still aren't.

No one is speaking for gun owners. We just let your own words continue to show your true beliefs, as illegal and murderous as they may be, show themselves.

 

[HisArpy]

Exactly. It's a hypothetical that is currently very unlikely, which also means you were served up on a silver platter the easiest opportunity to state you really are law abiding, but you still didn't because you still aren't.

No one is speaking for gun owners. We just let your own words continue to show your true beliefs, as illegal and murderous as they may be, show themselves.

Here's the glaringly obvious thing you're missing; there are currently 28 States which allow "Constitutional carry" of guns by their citizens.

28.

That's more than half the States in the union. More than half the States which categorically disagree with your opinion about guns in the hands of the people. That's a pretty loud voice on behalf of gun owners.

A very loud voice which you cannot seem to hear over the voices in your head screaming that the Constitution is wrong, the law is wrong, and the people who obey the law are wrong.

Which should, in any sane world, tell you that the person who is "wrong" here, is you.

 

[Dribble]

Here's the glaringly obvious thing you're missing; there are currently 28 States which allow "Constitutional carry" of guns by their citizens.

28.

That's more than half the States in the union. More than half the States which categorically disagree with your opinion about guns in the hands of the people. That's a pretty loud voice on behalf of gun owners.

A very loud voice which you cannot seem to hear over the voices in your head screaming that the Constitution is wrong, the law is wrong, and the people who obey the law are wrong.

Which should, in any sane world, tell you that the person who is "wrong" here, is you.

And the rest...account for 70% of the nation's GDP. Kiss us goodbye. There is only one path forward. Accept it. Embrace it.

 

[Ignobel]

THE PRESS SAYS THIS NEVER HAPPENS: Over 60% of ‘active shooters’ stopped by ‘good guy with a gun.’

But, you know, the press says a lot of things.

 

[Dribble]

THE PRESS SAYS THIS NEVER HAPPENS: Over 60% of ‘active shooters’ stopped by ‘good guy with a gun.’

But, you know, the press says a lot of things.

Nice...too bad the number of "active" shooters is incorrect. We are well over 400 this year. But when you pick and choose the data...you can manipulate it to say what you want. If you want to use data...use the entire dataset

 

[HisArpy]

And the rest...account for 70% of the nation's GDP. Kiss us goodbye. There is only one path forward. Accept it. Embrace it.

Here's the thing, you can disappear and the rest of us will still continue to live and supply food and other goods to the remainder of society.

Or do you think you as an individual are essential and irreplaceable? Or that your "vision" is the one true and only way?

 

[Ciceri]

No. Statistically we're less safe with fewer gun laws. The numbers don't lie

 

[TomTeacher19]

Here's the glaringly obvious thing you're missing; there are currently 28 States which allow "Constitutional carry" of guns by their citizens.

28.

That's more than half the States in the union. More than half the States which categorically disagree with your opinion about guns in the hands of the people. That's a pretty loud voice on behalf of gun owners.

A very loud voice which you cannot seem to hear over the voices in your head screaming that the Constitution is wrong, the law is wrong, and the people who obey the law are wrong.

Which should, in any sane world, tell you that the person who is "wrong" here, is you.

So because 28 > 22 that means the minority is wrong. Hmmmm.
But those 28 don't actually"categorically " disagree. In fact all of those 28 have very significant numbers within them that don't agree.
And those 22 actually represent a lot more people than those 28 do.
Which would mean by your own justification that you being actually in the minority means you are wrong.
The constitution has been found and is wrong on certain things, or at a minimum is out of date and requires updating. Perhaps your voting wife or non slave neighbor can fill you in on some of those things over a prohibited, then not prohibited alcohol beverage sometime. Continuing to clutch to the second amendment pretending you are part of a well regulated militia might work in the voices in your head but no sane person believes that is what any current gun owner is doing. Nor do they believe the founding fathers ever wrote the second amendment envisioning the kind of artillery that are being used every day to slaughter kids in schools and other constant gun murders in our country. Let's be real clear - you want your guns so you can murder other Americans and you want to use the constitution to defend those desires. Maybe you can circle jerk other gun owners into fake phrases like "it's just for self defense" or "I'm one of the good guys" or "I'm a law abiding one" but your desires and wants are crystal clear with every statement you actually make and every vote you make and every action you take.