The 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'

[BLoved]

We already had this discussion. If you truly wish for the answer, go back and look.

I just remember being treated like a human and thanking you for it.

I can see that's history.

 

[Stella_Omega]

There are certainly some people who practice bdsm that are abusive. Some of them show up in the public scene.

Some abusive Doms never go to munches or parties and scorn the public scene.

Some of them absolutely believe that they believe in true love.

 

[Seurat]

They are not teaching that casual 'bdsm' itself is abusive, and yet we have 80 pages filled with evidence of abusive behaviour conducted by the casual community against one man because he rejects their 'ethics'.

Since I have contributed more than a post or two, and you have already stated that I am part of (or wish to be part of) the casual BDSM community, I would like you to point out where I have abused you because of your ethics.

 

[warrior queen]

They are not teaching that casual 'bdsm' itself is abusive, and yet we have 80 pages filled with evidence of abusive behaviour conducted by the casual community against one man because he rejects their 'ethics'.

So of what value are these efforts to 'educate' when they overlook all of this?

uuummmm..... excuse me....... but i was just wondering how you can say EVERYONE in this thread is somehow abusive toward you...... especially given that at least half of us here are those same defenseless, abused victims (ie. submissives) that you feel compelled to educate and to save!?

surely we're far too damaged and misinformed to be able to fight back at you (ie. Dom, supposedly!)?

edited to add not to mention that our self-esteem issues should be inhibiting even the simplest of responses!?

 

[chy_girl]

I just remember being treated like a human and thanking you for it.

I can see that's history.

That became history soon after you implied that any submissive who attends a public party where an entrance fee is charged is essentially a prostitute there to service the masses. And dragged me directly into the middle of it by quoting something I'd written on another matter.

Since then, you have yet to man-up and say "Yes, that is what I meant." or "No, that isn't what I meant. I'm sorry you took it that way." Despite the request to do so.

I have no issue treating people "like a human," but I expect the same courtesy in return.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I just remember being treated like a human and thanking you for it.

I can see that's history.

Oh for crissake, what a whiner. You are the most delicate and dainty of snowflakes, aren't you. I could push you over with my pinky!

Unlike the submissive women that post here, might I add. I've seen pubescent girls with more moral fiber than you.

They are not teaching that casual 'bdsm' itself is abusive, and yet we have 80 pages filled with evidence of abusive behaviour conducted by the casual community against one man because he rejects their 'ethics'.

You can keep on lying to yourself-- in fact I know you will.

 

[CutieMouse]

They are not teaching that casual 'bdsm' itself is abusive, and yet we have 80 pages filled with evidence of abusive behaviour conducted by the casual community against one man because he rejects their 'ethics'.

So of what value are these efforts to 'educate' when they overlook all of this?

That would be because you invented the term "casual BDSM" out of whole cloth.

The rest of the world works on the concept that a healthy relationship is a healthy relationship, and worries more about helping people understand generic signs of a healthy relationship/communication skills/how to avoid dangerous situations, and less about shoving people into the ETHICAL BDSM AS DEFINED BY BLOVED IS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE WAY TO PRACTICE BDSM mold.

 

[WriterDom]

You do know that 25 of the 80 pages are yours alone right? Where you accuse this mythical casual bdsm of rape, underage exploitation, spreading AIDS, throwing in a few Niggers for shock effect, claiming that all submissive females are mindless twits with low self esteem who need someone like you, a smoker, to think for them.

 

[warrior queen]

It would appear I'm the only one who can bring these facts to light for those most at risk.

hallelujah!

the SON OF GOD is among us again!

here to give us the ONE TRUE MESSAGE... and to lead us away from our sinful pursuits and into the LIGHT OF BLOVED TRUTH!!!

 

[BLoved]

Are you trying to say there is no such thing as a female submissive with low self-esteem?

Those are the ones I've talked about, as they are most at risk when faced with the tactics that have filled 80 pages of this discussion.

There are also a lot of female submissives with healthy self-esteem. The only way they're going to get involved in casual 'bdsm' is if they are misinformed regarding the risks.

And that does raise a question ... why are you and your friends trying to silence the one man who is trying to make them aware of those risks?

If you actually had a solid argument in favour of casual 'bdsm', why haven't you presented it rather than wasting 80 pages to tell everyone you intensely dislike the fact I have the freedom to express my point of view on the subject?

And there is a very good answer ... there isn't one.

And it is because there isn't a solid argument in favour of casual 'bdsm' you've wasted 80 pages trying to distract everyone by attacking me, personally.

That is the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'.

And they keep proving me right.

 

[00Syd]

I'm back from the bound and gagged orgy of loveless sin that I paid money to attend, along with hundreds of other unethical perverts who were seeking to take classes on how to intricately bind, rape and convert young, abused, self-esteem-less, female submissives to our unethical, loveless ropey ways.






What have I missed?

 

[chy_girl]

I'm back from the bound and gagged orgy of loveless sin that I paid money to attend, along with hundreds of other unethical perverts who were seeking to take classes on how to intricately bind, rape and convert young, abused, self-esteem-less, female submissives to our unethical, loveless ropey ways.

OH! Did they have hot wax play?!?! I love hot wax play!

 

[00Syd]

OH! Did they have hot wax play?!?! I love hot wax play!

There was a class on how to incorporate wax play into your rope bondage scene. We missed that class in favor of something else

 

[Homburg]

They are not teaching that casual 'bdsm' itself is abusive, and yet we have 80 pages filled with evidence of abusive behaviour conducted by the casual community against one man because he rejects their 'ethics'.

So of what value are these efforts to 'educate' when they overlook all of this?

A) You are a self-described dominant. Given the way the ball bounces in this sort of dynamic, the dominant is not the one likely to be abused. Thus the education covers that topic significantly less.

B) The major counter-thrust in this thread has been an attempt to educate you to the actual reality of the scene from people with actual experience with it, as opposed to your exceedingly limited view. You are refusing to accept or acknowledge this, but it does not mean that it does not exist.

 

[chy_girl]

There was a class on how to incorporate wax play into your rope bondage scene. We missed that class in favor of something else

Awwww, that would have been cool. The first time I ever experienced wax was with my hands tied over my head and a flogging after. There hasn't been any bondage with it since. Lots of giggling and moaning, but no bondage...

One of the local guys did a cool fire suspension scene with a lady where he set the ropes on fire, though.

At least tell me the "something else" was worth missing the wax...

 

[BLoved]

Are you trying to say there is no such thing as a female submissive with low self-esteem?

Those are the ones I've talked about, as they are most at risk when faced with the tactics that have filled 80 pages of this discussion.

There are also a lot of female submissives with healthy self-esteem. The only way they're going to get involved in casual 'bdsm' is if they are misinformed regarding the risks.

And that does raise a question ... why are you and your friends trying to silence the one man who is trying to make them aware of those risks?

If you actually had a solid argument in favour of casual 'bdsm', why haven't you presented it rather than wasting 80 pages to tell everyone you intensely dislike the fact I have the freedom to express my point of view on the subject?

And there is a very good answer ... there isn't one.

And it is because there isn't a solid argument in favour of casual 'bdsm' you've wasted 80 pages trying to distract everyone by attacking me, personally.

That is the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'.

And they continue to prove me right.

Comment from Love, Part 2:

A Very Shocking Discovery About Literotica
After reading all 3 parts of Love, I googled BLoved and ended up in "the ethics of casual bdsm discussion board. What a SHOCK to read how members treat=verbally abuse each other and especially BLoved!!! Very unprofessional.
See http://216.150.69.38/showthread.php?p=34253368

 

[Etoile]

THERE ARE MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO CALL MY ORGANISATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DIE ALONE AND WHO DIE WITH US ON THE OTHER END OF THE LINE.

Dude, that would fuck my shit up. You are a strong, strong person.

 

[Cattypuss]

Dude, that would fuck my shit up. You are a strong, strong person.

Well it does mess with your head a bit but on the other hand you do feel like you've done something really valuable for someone, which is rewarding.

 

[BLoved]

You do know that 25 of the 80 pages are yours alone right?

Let's look at those 25 pages.

They divide into three categories:

1. me describing my views on the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm', comparing them with the ethics of love-based bdsm.

2. me talking about myself, either in response to questions, or in response to accusations.

3. me quoting the statements of others and using those statements as examples of what people can expect from the casual community.

Now let's look at the 55 pages from the casual community:

1. Accusations (by far the majority of posts).

2. statements akin to 'I smoke and dont' have cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer'.

3. questions (by far the minority of posts).

 

[WriterDom]

Let's look at those 25 pages.

They divide into three categories:

1. me describing my views on the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm', comparing them with the ethics of love-based bdsm.

2. me talking about myself, either in response to questions, or in response to accusations.

3. me quoting the statements of others and using those statements as examples of what people can expect from the casual community.

Now let's look at the 55 pages from the casual community:

1. Accusations (by far the majority of posts).

2. statements akin to 'I smoke and dont' have cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer'.

3. questions (by far the minority of posts).

You showed up here as a hater. And for the first time in this forum's history you managed to turn almost everyone against you.

So why don't you make your final point and leave. Don't you think we get it by now? Casual bdsm bad; Bloved's way good.

 

[BLoved]

You showed up here as a hater.

Spoken like a true fanatic.

So why don't you make your final point and leave. Don't you think we get it by now? Casual bdsm bad; Bloved's way good.

You mean go back to where I came from?

Those of us who reject the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm' are the niggers of bdsm.

Unfortunately for you, we have too many examples of persecuted people finding a way to be heard to let a fanatic majority chase me off.

 

[WriterDom]

Spoken like a true fanatic.




Those of us

Us? Where is this "us?" There is only you. There was Beloved but she could only take one month of "you."

If there was a beloved. I'm not sure you didn't make that up like you do with your voting results.

 

[BLoved]

Us? Where is this "us?" There is only you.

Are you trying to suggest I'm the only person who practices bdsm while rejecting the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'?

I'm the only one speaking up about it here.

I'm not the only one on the planet.

I've admitted I am a minority of one here. I've acknowledged the majority here are casual players or those who approve of such behaviour.

That's what makes 80 pages of harassment all the more disturbing.

You're just not secure enough in your own beliefs, you need my approval to feel your way of life is safe.

You are the people who have made my point of view so visible. Your fanaticism when it comes to me is why I command attention here.

 

[Homburg]

So why don't you make your final point and leave?

Because he leads an empty, loveless existence, and has nothing left other than proselytising.

 

[BLoved]

Because he leads an empty, loveless existence, and has nothing left other than proselytising.

You keep painting me as a pitiful human being and people are going to start feeling sympathy for me that despite 80 pages of harassment and abuse, I'm still here.