The 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'

[Stella_Omega]

I think those who are not biased will see things quite differently.

They will see a mob demonizing one man because he does not believe what the mob believes ... and they'd be right.

People are not as stupid as you'd like to believe, Stella.

it's quite true; they will see one man believing he can define other people's morals. And they will see a lot of people telling him he's incorrect in that belief.

And when they see that man cry "persecution" well... I think most people are smarter than you give them credit for.

 

[WriterDom]

Why it didn't let "me" vote again?

It won't if you voted in the past 3 or 4 days. This is the 4th time or so he has started over.

The reviewer has a lot more patience than I would. In fact, I think it is a little unethical to resubmit a story just to affect the score. If everyone did that it would take a month for stories to post.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I'm quite sure there are many who have endured abuse ... where else did they learn to abuse others?

As for becoming "stronger", we have a difference of opinion.

To me they have only become more paranoid about disagreement, and more willing to abuse and persecute one man in public because he does not believe their way is a healthy choice.

If that is "stronger" than I am grateful to be so weak, and not a member of their majority.

This, right here, is what I mean. I am a survivor of abuse. I have not disrespected you in any way, shape or form and yet, you have found it within yourself to basically inform me that I have somehow managed to abuse others.

You may use the *they* as a way of softening the statement but at the end of the day you have~ sight unseen~chosen to tell me that I am the same as any one else who has gone from abused to abuser.

*shakes head*

I tried. I can see this is going no where. Enjoy your day.

 

[BLoved]

it's quite true; they will see one man believing he can define other people's morals. And they will see a lot of people telling him he's incorrect in that belief.

And when they see that man cry "persecution" well... I think most people are smarter than you give them credit for.

~smile~

They will see one man stating his beliefs, and a mob trying to shout him down telling him what he can say and what he can believe.

They will see a mob whining incessantly that this man is defying their authority, refusing to obey their commands.

I have no fear of an unbiased reader, Stella.

I am not a mob persecuting one man for what he believes, or the fact he dares to stand up for his beliefs in public, no matter how many who disagree choose to demonize him.

It takes courage to stand up and be counted when the mob wants to lynch you for your beliefs.

I see no courage in a mob, only cowardice that they are so insecure they cannot abide one man who disagrees.

 

[BLoved]

This, right here, is what I mean. I am a survivor of abuse. I have not disrespected you in any way, shape or form and yet, you have found it within yourself to basically inform me that I have somehow managed to abuse others.

You may use the *they* as a way of softening the statement but at the end of the day you have~ sight unseen~chosen to tell me that I am the same as any one else who has gone from abused to abuser.

It would appear you are more interested in making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Not unlike what was done at the beginning of this discussion.

I take it you no longer want a conversation because you do not see it going your way.

 

[BLoved]

It won't if you voted in the past 3 or 4 days. This is the 4th time or so he has started over.

The reviewer has a lot more patience than I would. In fact, I think it is a little unethical to resubmit a story just to affect the score. If everyone did that it would take a month for stories to post.

Love Pt. 01 - 4548 visits and 32 votes, 3 comments
Love Pt. 02 - 4788 visits and 38 votes, 6 comments
Love Pt. 03 - 3621 visits and 22 votes, 5 comments

I did not delete the stories.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It would appear you are more intelligent than I gave you credit for.

I honestly thought no one would notice my passive-aggressive style of argument. I blame my parents who were alcoholics and made me weak and narcissistic.

I know I will never be able to untangle my personal desires from the rest of the world, as I cannot tell one person apart from another.

Please forgive me for that.

Wow, Bloved, maybe you do have a shred of self-understanding after all!

 

[WriterDom]

Love Pt. 01 - 4548 visits and 32 votes, 3 comments
Love Pt. 02 - 4788 visits and 38 votes, 6 comments
Love Pt. 03 - 3621 visits and 22 votes, 5 comments

I did not delete the stories.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1184290&page=submissions

Your submission page tells a different story. Dates are given and the yellow N stands for NEW.
The old comments are gone replaced by new ones.

Look for yourself, Dude.

 

[Xelebes]

It would appear you are more interested in making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Not unlike what was done at the beginning of this discussion.

I take it you no longer want a conversation because you do not see it going your way.

Dude, no assumptions are being made. You are explicitly stating these things. Go re-read your posts.

 

[FloggingMolly]

I do not dictate to adults how they must behave in a public forum. They make their own choices and are responsible for those choices.

Yet you have made many complaints that the 'casual BDSM community' does not police itself here. Why should any of us be individually responsible for the posts/responses of other posters i you do not feel you are? Double standard much?

 

[BLoved]

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1184290&page=submissions

Your submission page tells a different story. Dates are given and the yellow N stands for NEW.
The old comments are gone replaced by new ones.

Look for yourself, Dude.

Love: 3 Part Series
Love Pt. 01 A BDSM love-story: Endings. BDSM 05/30/10
Love Pt. 02 A BDSM love-story: Introductions. BDSM 05/31/10
Love Pt. 03 A BDSM love-story: Winter Interlude. BDSM 06/01/10

Those are the original approval dates.

 

[BLoved]

Yet you have made many complaints that the 'casual BDSM community' does not police itself here. Why should any of us be individually responsible for the posts/responses of other posters i you do not feel you are? Double standard much?

I am not the one who claims the casual community polices itself.

I'm the one who points out how it chooses not to police itself in a public forum, while trying to police me.

Double-standard indeed.

 

[Xelebes]

I am not the one who claims the casual community polices itself.

I'm the one who points out how it chooses not to police itself in a public forum, while trying to police me.

Double-standard indeed.

If that's what you want to believe, go right ahead.

 

[Stella_Omega]

it's absolutely laughable the way you try to portray yourself as a Big Strong Manly™ Dom-- and then you snivel and whimper about *gasp* mean words.

Either you are so fragile you'll break into bits because someone used "die" in a hyperbolic sentence, or you're not. Which is it?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

It would appear you are more interested in making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Not unlike what was done at the beginning of this discussion.

I take it you no longer want a conversation because you do not see it going your way.

No, that is not why I chose to end this conversation. I have tried stating that I have a problem with you using the terms abuse and casual BDSM as if they were interchangeable. You are the one who chose to make a statement and use the word *they* as if it would demonstrate why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Therefore there was NO jumping to conclusions.

Not all abused people end up being abusers. Not all involved in casual BDSM are out for number one. (Quite frankly, I don't know any reputable people in the casual scene who are only about themselves.) You keep making blanket statements and acting as if I am reading you wrong. I am not. I have said that I agree with your take on intimacy and love based BDSM. I have stated that I think you are trying to beat others over the head with your take it. I have also stated that I am NOT an abuser and that I do not think those two words/terms have anything to do with one another. You are being pedantic and so I choose to stop my portion of this conversation.

You obviously do not want to do anything but preach at me and frankly, sir, I am old enough and wise enough to not require your teaching. I believed that by trying to talk with you in a calm, reasonable fashion, and basing it on our similarities, not our differences~ we might start this conversation anew. Instead, you chose to make it all about how YOU are being persecuted.

This must be what others' meant and I am sorry that I tried.

 

[BLoved]

it's absolutely laughable the way you try to portray yourself as a Big Strong Manly™ Dom-- and then you snivel and whimper about *gasp* mean words.

Either you are so fragile you'll break into bits because someone used "die" in a hyperbolic sentence, or you're not. Which is it?

~smile~

Haven't you noticed, Stella?

You've managed to keep my discussions at the top of the list all day, to tell people I'm Satan, or whiny, or a moron, or whatever.

Youv'e added zero content while I continue to point to your "whining" as an example of just how narrow-minded and obsessed the casual community is.

For someone who complains about whining you sure do a lot of it

 

[Xelebes]

~smile~

Haven't you noticed, Stella?

You've managed to keep my discussions at the top of the list all day, to tell people I'm Satan, or whiny, or a moron, or whatever.

Youv'e added zero content while I continue to point to your "whining" as an example of just how narrow-minded and obsessed the casual community is.

For someone who complains about whining you sure do a lot of it

Does one whine when they interrogate?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Either you are so fragile you'll break into bits because someone used "die" in a hyperbolic sentence, or you're not. Which is it?

 

[warrior queen]

Either you are so fragile you'll break into bits because someone used "die" in a hyperbolic sentence, or you're not. Which is it?

lol - he won't 'break'....
this is a guy who can get over losing a 'true love' with just one good night sleep!
he is one tough dude.

besides, he never directly answers questions..... get ready for the misquotes and self-agrandissment.

 

[PhaonsBrother]

Love: 3 Part Series
Love Pt. 01 A BDSM love-story: Endings. BDSM 05/30/10
Love Pt. 02 A BDSM love-story: Introductions. BDSM 05/31/10
Love Pt. 03 A BDSM love-story: Winter Interlude. BDSM 06/01/10

Those are the original approval dates.

Didn't you submit these under the AllYouNeedIsLove moniker a few months back? Yes, I think I remember skimming the same hack cancer story, which was not received well then either. You whinged about the voting then, carried on, took your stories down, now you're sniveling over the same reception to the same material. You have no new material. You copy-paste all day, likely crap you wrote in the 1990's. You've no intellectual growth. Your stories were probably written years ago, the same handful of non-erotic tripe.

I don't believe you were ever in an intimate relationship with someone who died of cancer. I think she left you because you're incapable of loving and incapable of being loved. Archetypical Ahab always after his Beloved. She didn't destroy you. You have to grow up and accept your role in ruining your own life. It's what happens with many reformed abusers. They become obsessed with getting back to even. Your time on the Internet is spent trying to undo what you did to that woman by 'educating' us.

 

[warrior queen]

You would dictate to the rest of us what constitutes "abuse" and what does not, so we know what to object to and what we should tolerate?

the ONLY person here who is dictating what constitutes 'abuse' is YOU.

the majority of us have shown you perfectly reasonable examples of what we've experienced, and although none of our behaviour involved 'abuse' in any form, you have continued to denigrate us and invalidate our experiences because YOU believe we have taken part in 'abuse'

people are attacking your beliefs, because you have attacked theirs.
what exactly did you think was going to happen?
we'd all roll over, accept the 'abusive' error of our ways, and come into your fold???
your arrogance has been trully astounding.

 

[Stella_Omega]

there is only one belief of his that people are attacking. ,And that is his belief that he is a poor widdle persecuted pitiful pearl

 

[PhaonsBrother]

Who's going to pity the Master, the Master of all Master Doms, the Dom of Doms? Why aren't young women flocking to him, protecting him from the heathen masses with their young pouty breasts and mouths?

 

[rida]

No, that is not why I chose to end this conversation. I have tried stating that I have a problem with you using the terms abuse and casual BDSM as if they were interchangeable. You are the one who chose to make a statement and use the word *they* as if it would demonstrate why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Therefore there was NO jumping to conclusions.

Not all abused people end up being abusers. Not all involved in casual BDSM are out for number one. (Quite frankly, I don't know any reputable people in the casual scene who are only about themselves.) You keep making blanket statements and acting as if I am reading you wrong. I am not. I have said that I agree with your take on intimacy and love based BDSM. I have stated that I think you are trying to beat others over the head with your take it. I have also stated that I am NOT an abuser and that I do not think those two words/terms have anything to do with one another. You are being pedantic and so I choose to stop my portion of this conversation.

You obviously do not want to do anything but preach at me and frankly, sir, I am old enough and wise enough to not require your teaching. I believed that by trying to talk with you in a calm, reasonable fashion, and basing it on our similarities, not our differences~ we might start this conversation anew. Instead, you chose to make it all about how YOU are being persecuted.

This must be what others' meant and I am sorry that I tried.

And when you preemptively refute his "opposition" he'll tell you that you have "nothing of substance" to say. And totally gloss over the fact that you did agree with some of his ideas.

The only form of support he accept is total agreement with his views and to prove it you have to public attack each and every post that disagrees with his.

 

[BLoved]

It does if you truly want to live

Thank you for reminding me of this. I'm watching Braveheart.

"... they fought like warrior-poets ... and won their freedom."