Stella_Omega
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As long as the cameras were running, anyway."... they fought like warrior-poets ... and won their freedom."
Then they all went looking for the next film job.
The 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'
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Then they all went looking for the next film job.
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Nice! I'm sure the fresh air did you some good
I got nearly 5,000 words written. Not edited, but written.
I got nearly 5,000 words written. Not edited, but written.
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Nice! I'm sure the fresh air did you some good
I got nearly 5,000 words written. Not edited, but written.
I finished a chapter today. Two more to write, one to finish and an epilogue, and the first draft will be done.
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Another distressed sub rescued by True Love, huh? You're such a romantic!
pwnage. We should get that guy who battled Wulf and Jon Jacobs on the line to compare notes.
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I am sorry I did try to leave it alone because as I said before I think your posting is a cry for attention, but you go on and on like you are the only one who loves and understand love and BDSM. Let me lay it out as plain as I can. I am in a loving relationship and have been in one for 8 years. You know I find it funny that you try to place things under true love what is true love. Is the fact that my wife and I clicked the first time we spoke and even more so the first time we saw each other?
Frankly I think that is irrelevant to discussions of BDSM what was more challenging was bringing BDSM to our existing relationship love had nothing to do with it. I hear you chant and make negative comments on people who play with others where there is no love, but I see little and no proof that you have a clue on what you are talking about. You may be very well written and a lot of people write very appealing BDSM stories is there truth of fact in what they write?
My wife reads a great deal of BDSM stories form a lot of different authors and we both can spot fiction from fact. That does not stop someone from crafting a good story. Ethics as Geoff pointed out has nothing to do with BDSM. How many people get raped every year or end up being slipped drugs in order to take advantage of them. You do not speak about the ethics of relationships instead you try to focus on bad people instead of seeing good ones. I have asked for examples of where you have seen these wrongs the closest things to examples you have provided have been dance clubs that are not BDSM based.
I know there is really no debating with you I do not expect to change your mind on how you think or what you say, but what I wanted is for you to show some respect to other people and not accuse them of things. I don’t care who your friends are I don’t care how great you think you are or how you have been persecuted, but you get what you give and so far you give hate very well so that is what you have received.
Frankly I think that is irrelevant to discussions of BDSM what was more challenging was bringing BDSM to our existing relationship love had nothing to do with it. I hear you chant and make negative comments on people who play with others where there is no love, but I see little and no proof that you have a clue on what you are talking about. You may be very well written and a lot of people write very appealing BDSM stories is there truth of fact in what they write?
My wife reads a great deal of BDSM stories form a lot of different authors and we both can spot fiction from fact. That does not stop someone from crafting a good story. Ethics as Geoff pointed out has nothing to do with BDSM. How many people get raped every year or end up being slipped drugs in order to take advantage of them. You do not speak about the ethics of relationships instead you try to focus on bad people instead of seeing good ones. I have asked for examples of where you have seen these wrongs the closest things to examples you have provided have been dance clubs that are not BDSM based.
I know there is really no debating with you I do not expect to change your mind on how you think or what you say, but what I wanted is for you to show some respect to other people and not accuse them of things. I don’t care who your friends are I don’t care how great you think you are or how you have been persecuted, but you get what you give and so far you give hate very well so that is what you have received.
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Love isn't watching someone walk out of your life that you have been living with and then waking up completely fine the next day. Unless you are just so sad and lonely you created her within your own mind. Or you are just heartless. Either way it's really sad to be you. 
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Another distressed sub rescued by True Love, huh? You're such a romantic!
Actually it is a very mainstream tragedy. It won't be posted to Lit.
If I am to be a famous writer, I believe it will be due to the story I am currently writing.
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A Beginner's Guide to BDSM Munches (Version 1.4, written 8/14/03)
Copyright 2003 by Jay Wiseman, JD
Author of "SM 101: A Realistic Introduction" and "Jay Wireman's Erotic Bondage Handbook" -- and other books published by Greenery Press.
Hello and welcome to the munch! Perhaps this is your first munch. Perhaps this is your first BDSM event of any kind. Congratulations for contacting what many of us call the BDSM community (or, more simply, "the scene"). You are on the threshold of meeting many new people, having many new experiences, and both learning and growing a great deal. By the way, "BDSM" is a general, overall term for what we do. The term is pronounced just like its letters - B D S M - and represents a compression of the phrases "bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism."
1. What is a BDSM munch? In broad outline, a BDSM munch is an informal gathering of people with an interest in BDSM so that they can eat and socialize. Please note that munches tend to be social events, not educational events. If you'd like to learn more about BDSM, please see the end of this document. Most munches are held in restaurants, often in a special room or area of the restaurant. Munches tend to be informal affairs with relatively little structure or protocol. (If there is something special about a particular munch's structure or protocol, and you haven't already been informed of what it is, don't worry too much. You'll likely be told what you need to know about that before the gathering gets well underway.) Most munches are publicized primarily online, and the Internet figures prominently in their history and development.
2. How did munches get started? Munches were started in the early 1990s by people who had an interest in BDSM and who were also online. (The Internet had not yet gone really mainstream.) These people began meeting at local restaurants. On the west coast, the original gatherings were held in Palo Alto, California, and called "burger munches." After a while, particularly as the Internet grew in popularity, the idea caught on and similar gatherings began to be organized in other cities. Today, these "munches" as they are now called, are held in dozens of cities across the country and also in some foreign countries. Their number continues to grow. (Munches continue in Palo Alto to this day.)
3. What kinds of people attend BDSM munches? People who attend munches can vary widely, however as a group they tend to be highly intelligent, highly imaginative, and highly individualistic. Essentially all attendees have a personal interest in BDSM. Most munches have a designated host or hosts who are informally - but firmly, if need be - in overall charge of the event. Some munches are especially intended for certain types of people such as people of a certain age range or people with an interest in a particular aspect of BDSM play, and these are usually specifically advertised as such. While munches are definitely open to people of all sexual orientations, most have something of a mixed-gender, heterosexual/bisexual tone to them. People who cross-dress and transgendered people also sometimes attend. (If you have an interest in one-gender events, the munch hosts will likely be able to make a referral.) Munches are almost always "for adults only" and persons under 18 should not be brought unless the ground rules of the munch specifically state that they are welcome.
4. What should I wear? Most munches do not have a specific dress code so, in general, "reasonably presentable" clothing appropriate to the season will be fine. "A bit of black" will usually go over well. Dressing up in "high fetish" clothing is not necessary and may be inappropriate for the event unless you have been told otherwise beforehand. On the other hand, showing up in highly informal clothing may not make the best first impression either. Don't be too surprised if you see people wearing items of black leather clothing or footwear, and please try to not look too shocked if you see someone happily eating and chatting away while wearing a collar of leather or steel locked around their neck.
5. Confidentiality. There is a strong rule in this community, sometimes spoken and sometimes not but always there, that the privacy of event attendees is protected. Please remember that people are here to interact regarding a highly personal aspect of themselves, so once you leave keep your mouth shut about the identities of who you saw there, what they said and did, and so forth. For example, if you saw a co-worker at a munch, keep quiet about that when you return to work. (Although you may find that you and the co-worker will want to arrange a private lunch or after-work coffee date, or at least trade the occasional knowing smile.) Violating the confidentiality rule can get you shunned and banned. Be advised that some people use "scene names" instead of their legal name, so please don't feel too surprised to learn that someone calls themselves "Master Tom," "Slave Pat," or "Cruella." By the way, titles are often omitted in direct personal conversation, so you are not expected to address him as " Master Tom" unless he is _your_ master. (And until you've _both_ agreed that he's your master, he isn't.)
6. Special Terminology. BDSM people often use scene-related jargon to let others know what activities they enjoy. For example, if a woman were to refer to herself as a "bi poly switch" this would indicate that she was, to a greater or lesser degree 1) bisexual, 2) poly amorous (basically, someone who has intimate relationships, which can include sex, with more than one person) and 3) enjoyed at least some aspects of both the dominant and the submissive roles. People who prefer the "dominant" role may refer to themselves as dominants, masters, daddies, or tops. People who prefer the "submissive" role may refer to themselves as submissives, slaves, or bottoms. (I put "dominant" and "submissive" in quotes because the scope of these terms is subject to lots of debate within our community.) By the way, don't be surprised if you're asked if you're a top or a bottom, or something similar. If you're not sure yet, it's fine to reply that you're still exploring that question. Consider asking what those terms mean to them.
7. Behavior Tips. Because protecting the privacy of attendees is so important, it can be discourteous to ask someone direct, specific questions about what they do for a living, what company they work for, details about where they live, if they're in a committed relationship, and so forth. It's fine if they volunteer such information (some people are very "out" and forthright, a few almost too much so [grin]), but don't probe. If someone asks you a direct question that you don't feel comfortable answering, a simple reply of "I'd rather not say just now" is entirely appropriate. (They shouldn't ask again, at least at that event.) It's generally fine to have some beer or wine with your food if you wish, but make sure you don't drink alcohol to the point where your behavior becomes a problem. By the way, given that non-BDSM people, including children, are probably also at the restaurant and may be able to see into the room where the munch is being held, explicit BDSM behavior is generally frowned upon.
8. Dealing with the restaurant staff. Be exceptionally courteous and friendly to the staff. Violating this rule can make a seriously bad impression on the munch hosts. When it comes time to pay, be sure to pay your full share plus a generous tip. You can score a few extra points as a team player if you bring along some one-dollar and five-dollar bills to help the other attendees make change.
9. The etiquette of touching and personal space. The BDSM community is a bit "touchy"
about when, where, and why it's OK for one person to touch another. While ordinary social handshakes are usually fine (some "old school" men observe the etiquette rule that a gentleman never offers his hand to a lady but rather waits for her to offer hers, if she chooses to) more intimate touching such as hugging and so forth is reserved for people who already know each other well. (Because a lot of the people attending already know each other well, you may see a lot of hugging.) A good general rule is to not touch another person's body, clothing, or BDSM equipment without first obtaining their specific permission - and don't be too aggressive about asking for that permission. It's especially wise for men to be cautious regarding touching women that they don't already know very well. Whatever you do, don't touch another person in a "dominant" manner unless you're very certain that you have permission. (If the person is wearing a collar, there's a good chance that they are in an ongoing dominant/submissive relationship and that the person they are collared to is also at the event, so it's wise to get explicit and specific permission from that person beforehand as well.)
Also, if another person touches you in a dominant manner without your permission, it is entirely appropriate to let them clearly know that you didn't appreciate that, and also to notify the munch hosts about this. This is true even if this is your first event and the other person seems to be well-known and prominent. If they are making you feel uncomfortable with their behavior, there is a very good chance that they are also making other attendees uncomfortable as well and the hosts need to know about that.
Make sure that you keep a respectful distance from the other attendees. Men need to be especially mindful on this point. Sitting too close to a woman whom you don't know well, "friendly" hugs or other touching, and looming over a woman in a "dominant" manner can quickly get you a bad reputation that is hard to shake. (Women in the community tend to be somewhat close-knit. Offend one of them with boorish behavior and many other women will quickly learn about it.)
10. Munches are not highly screened. Munches are often publicly advertised and are generally open to all attendees who can observe a few basic rules of social conduct. What this means is that very little can be certain about a person's level of knowledge, experience, or trustworthiness from the mere fact that they are at a munch. While most attendees are fine in this regard, every now and then someone attends that you most definitely do not want to find yourself alone with - particularly if you're tied up! An excellent way to deal with this is simply to give things time. There is certainly no need to go back to somebody's house and engage in BDSM play with them on the same day that you meet them. Doing so can be especially risky. Remember this saying because it's very important: Time is your best friend. Take your time, give it time, and let time do its work on your behalf. With enough time - and often a surprisingly short amount of it - the right thing to do usually becomes clear. Never let anybody rush you.
11. Exchanging personal information. Because preserving the privacy of attendees is so important, if you'd like to have further contact with someone after a munch a good general rule is to offer your telephone number or email address to them instead of asking them to give you that information about themselves. (Ladies, this means that if you meet a man that you'd like to see again and he gives you such information about himself, you'll have to make the next move and contact him.) Some people have special email addresses created to handle scene-related emails. (YourRealName@YourWorkplace.com might not be the best email address to give to someone until you get to know them really well.) Some people create special business-type cards that contain contact information that they're willing to have fairly widely available, such as their scene name and their special email address. You can either have these printed in quantity or use your word processor to print them out in small batches. (Your local office supply store will have "business card" paper.)
12. Reputations, references, warnings, and politics. If you meet someone and you're thinking about engaging in BDSM play with them, perhaps particularly if you're thinking about taking the submissive or bottom role when you play, you might want to ask around a bit to see how this person is generally regarded. Because genuinely dangerous predators are usually spotted and driven from the mainstream community fairly quickly, if someone is well-known and generally well thought of, the probability that they are genuinely dangerous is fairly low (but not non-existent). The BDSM community is somewhat known for attracting people with strong personalities and strong opinions. (Some of the people with the strongest personalities and opinions usually take the submissive role during BDSM play.) Therefore, a certain amount of social/political feuding is something of the norm. This is usually very low-key at a munch, but there may be good reasons why two people are sitting on opposite sides of the room from each other. How this pertains to you is that if someone comes up to you and gives you an unsolicited warning bout another person, you might want to keep in mind that your "helpful friend" may have an agenda regarding that other person that they are not being candid about. Once again, time is your best friend.
13. Getting together after the munch. Munches are social affairs, and it is not at all uncommon for people who meet at a munch to wish to get together later on. This can be for further socializing, for a private meal, or even for the purpose of a BDSM play date. This can be, and usually is, just fine. However, remember that munch attendees are not highly screened so take your time in getting to know this person (that "time" thing again) before meeting them for a BDSM play date, particularly in private. Note: a standard safety precaution, especially recommended when doing BDSM play with someone new in private, is to tell a trusted person where you'll be, who you'll be with, and when you'll be back in touch, and then before you play to politely let your potential partner know that you've done so. This is known as a "silent alarm" or "safe call" and you should be taught the details of how to set one up very early in your BDSM education. Reputable players should have little problem with this and may even take the initiative in telling you that you should set one up. (Don't be surprised, or offended, if they do so as well. Such a device is a standard safety precaution.)
14. Special symbols. Sometimes people wear their keys on their left hip to show that hey prefer the top or dominant role or wear their keys on their right hip to show that they prefer the bottom or submissive role. If you see someone wearing a collar of metal, leather, or some other material, there is a pretty good chance that they are the submissive or slave in an ongoing BDSM relationship. Sometimes people wear colored handkerchiefs in their left or right hip pockets to indicate an interest in a particular activity. For example, a gray handkerchief often indicates an interest in bondage. In general, wearing the handkerchief in the left hip pocket indicates an interest in being the dominant or active partner during the activity and in the right hip pocket often indicates an interest in being the submissive or passive partner. Note: sometimes a handkerchief is just a handkerchief. If you're not sure, it's fine to ask someone if their handkerchief has some sort of special significance.
15. Cruising and Aggressive Cruising. Munches are social events, and one of the main reasons people attend munches is to meet new people. Their goal regarding meeting new people can range from socializing together, attending events together, playing together, some of the above, all of the above, and even more. Indeed, it is not particularly unusual for people to meet at a munch and eventually end up in a long-term, committed relationship. "Cruising" is a term describing the behavior of people who are making special efforts to meet new people. "Aggressive cruising" is a term for people who come on so strongly, especially to new attendees, that the other person becomes uncomfortable. You don't want to get a reputation for doing this. There is no sharp distinction between cruising and aggressive cruising, but there is an old joke about how anybody (particularly somebody that you don't like) who gets the phone number or email address of a person that you're attracted to before you get that information is guilty of aggressive cruising.
16. "Swarming" and "Chopped Liver." "Swarming" is a condition in which a newcomer gets a lot of "welcoming" attention. It happens with some frequency to women who attend by themselves. In such a situation, the woman may be approached by numerous men, and even some women or couples, for conversation and may leave the event with a large handful of phone numbers and email addresses in their possession. If you're a woman and are concerned about this, you might want to attend your first munch with a companion.
"Chopped liver," on the other hand, is a condition in which someone attends a munch and receives very little attention. Sadly, this often happens to single men who are not yet well known. Fortunately, if such men continue to attend munches and other events, they should make friends before too long. There is always room in the BDSM community for another ethical, friendly single man.
17. Introductions and announcements. Many munches have a special time period, usually shortly after the starting time, where people are asked in turn to say something about themselves to the group. This is usually a short statement about their name and their general interests. For example, I might stand up and say, "My name is Jay, I'm a switch, and I really enjoy rope bondage." Someone else might say, "My name is Patricia, I'm a dominant, and I'm really into giving spankings." A third person might say, "My name is Kelly. I'm a submissive and a pain slut, and I'm a slave to Master John." You get the idea. When your turn comes, if you're not sure what to say, simply state either your first name or the name that you'd like to be called by, and that you're a novice. If you're attending your first munch, it's fine to mention that as well. There may also be a period where people announce various BDSM-related events, workshops, and so forth.
18. Arrive on Time. Munches tend to operate on something of a timetable. For example, food is often mostly ordered by a certain time, announcements are given at a particular time, and so forth. Therefore, arriving "fashionably late" may not work out well at all. Arriving no later than about 15 minutes after the official starting time usually works better.
19. Don't make up your mind too quickly about a particular munch. If you attended a munch, had a good time, and plan to return, that's great. If you attended and didn't have such a good time, and are not sure about returning, please don't feel too discouraged. Consider coming back at least another time or two before writing off a particular munch forever. Given their highly variable nature, you can have a very good experience at a munch that you previously didn't have all that good an experience at. However, if you've attended three times and not enjoyed yourself or connected with the people to any significant degree, it may be time to seek another munch or other activity.
20. Where to learn more about BDSM. Munches are not educational events, however there is almost an embarrassment of riches available to people wanting to learn more about BDSM. Literature regarding some of these resources may be on hand at the munch. Available resources include websites, books and videos (ahem), classes, workshops, parties, socials, and private lessons. Excellent resources exist in every major city, and also in quite a few smaller-sized cities. Some cities have events especially intended for BDSM newcomers, so you might want to be especially alert for information about those events. To get you started, I will refer you to two excellent "gateway resources" - one on the east coast and one on the west coast. (These are called "gateway resources" because they will quickly lead you to numerous other equally excellent resources, all over the country, including resources near you.) On the east coast, check out the website of TES in New York City. On the west coast, check out the website of the Society of Janus in San Francisco. By the time you've spent half an hour on each website exploring its content and links, you should have a good overall idea of what educational resources are available to you.
My best wishes to you in your explorations. Please remember that time is your best friend. See you at the munch!
http://www.jaywiseman.com/SEX_BDSM_MunchGuide.html
Copyright 2003 by Jay Wiseman, JD
Author of "SM 101: A Realistic Introduction" and "Jay Wireman's Erotic Bondage Handbook" -- and other books published by Greenery Press.
Hello and welcome to the munch! Perhaps this is your first munch. Perhaps this is your first BDSM event of any kind. Congratulations for contacting what many of us call the BDSM community (or, more simply, "the scene"). You are on the threshold of meeting many new people, having many new experiences, and both learning and growing a great deal. By the way, "BDSM" is a general, overall term for what we do. The term is pronounced just like its letters - B D S M - and represents a compression of the phrases "bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism."
1. What is a BDSM munch? In broad outline, a BDSM munch is an informal gathering of people with an interest in BDSM so that they can eat and socialize. Please note that munches tend to be social events, not educational events. If you'd like to learn more about BDSM, please see the end of this document. Most munches are held in restaurants, often in a special room or area of the restaurant. Munches tend to be informal affairs with relatively little structure or protocol. (If there is something special about a particular munch's structure or protocol, and you haven't already been informed of what it is, don't worry too much. You'll likely be told what you need to know about that before the gathering gets well underway.) Most munches are publicized primarily online, and the Internet figures prominently in their history and development.
2. How did munches get started? Munches were started in the early 1990s by people who had an interest in BDSM and who were also online. (The Internet had not yet gone really mainstream.) These people began meeting at local restaurants. On the west coast, the original gatherings were held in Palo Alto, California, and called "burger munches." After a while, particularly as the Internet grew in popularity, the idea caught on and similar gatherings began to be organized in other cities. Today, these "munches" as they are now called, are held in dozens of cities across the country and also in some foreign countries. Their number continues to grow. (Munches continue in Palo Alto to this day.)
3. What kinds of people attend BDSM munches? People who attend munches can vary widely, however as a group they tend to be highly intelligent, highly imaginative, and highly individualistic. Essentially all attendees have a personal interest in BDSM. Most munches have a designated host or hosts who are informally - but firmly, if need be - in overall charge of the event. Some munches are especially intended for certain types of people such as people of a certain age range or people with an interest in a particular aspect of BDSM play, and these are usually specifically advertised as such. While munches are definitely open to people of all sexual orientations, most have something of a mixed-gender, heterosexual/bisexual tone to them. People who cross-dress and transgendered people also sometimes attend. (If you have an interest in one-gender events, the munch hosts will likely be able to make a referral.) Munches are almost always "for adults only" and persons under 18 should not be brought unless the ground rules of the munch specifically state that they are welcome.
4. What should I wear? Most munches do not have a specific dress code so, in general, "reasonably presentable" clothing appropriate to the season will be fine. "A bit of black" will usually go over well. Dressing up in "high fetish" clothing is not necessary and may be inappropriate for the event unless you have been told otherwise beforehand. On the other hand, showing up in highly informal clothing may not make the best first impression either. Don't be too surprised if you see people wearing items of black leather clothing or footwear, and please try to not look too shocked if you see someone happily eating and chatting away while wearing a collar of leather or steel locked around their neck.
5. Confidentiality. There is a strong rule in this community, sometimes spoken and sometimes not but always there, that the privacy of event attendees is protected. Please remember that people are here to interact regarding a highly personal aspect of themselves, so once you leave keep your mouth shut about the identities of who you saw there, what they said and did, and so forth. For example, if you saw a co-worker at a munch, keep quiet about that when you return to work. (Although you may find that you and the co-worker will want to arrange a private lunch or after-work coffee date, or at least trade the occasional knowing smile.) Violating the confidentiality rule can get you shunned and banned. Be advised that some people use "scene names" instead of their legal name, so please don't feel too surprised to learn that someone calls themselves "Master Tom," "Slave Pat," or "Cruella." By the way, titles are often omitted in direct personal conversation, so you are not expected to address him as " Master Tom" unless he is _your_ master. (And until you've _both_ agreed that he's your master, he isn't.)
6. Special Terminology. BDSM people often use scene-related jargon to let others know what activities they enjoy. For example, if a woman were to refer to herself as a "bi poly switch" this would indicate that she was, to a greater or lesser degree 1) bisexual, 2) poly amorous (basically, someone who has intimate relationships, which can include sex, with more than one person) and 3) enjoyed at least some aspects of both the dominant and the submissive roles. People who prefer the "dominant" role may refer to themselves as dominants, masters, daddies, or tops. People who prefer the "submissive" role may refer to themselves as submissives, slaves, or bottoms. (I put "dominant" and "submissive" in quotes because the scope of these terms is subject to lots of debate within our community.) By the way, don't be surprised if you're asked if you're a top or a bottom, or something similar. If you're not sure yet, it's fine to reply that you're still exploring that question. Consider asking what those terms mean to them.
7. Behavior Tips. Because protecting the privacy of attendees is so important, it can be discourteous to ask someone direct, specific questions about what they do for a living, what company they work for, details about where they live, if they're in a committed relationship, and so forth. It's fine if they volunteer such information (some people are very "out" and forthright, a few almost too much so [grin]), but don't probe. If someone asks you a direct question that you don't feel comfortable answering, a simple reply of "I'd rather not say just now" is entirely appropriate. (They shouldn't ask again, at least at that event.) It's generally fine to have some beer or wine with your food if you wish, but make sure you don't drink alcohol to the point where your behavior becomes a problem. By the way, given that non-BDSM people, including children, are probably also at the restaurant and may be able to see into the room where the munch is being held, explicit BDSM behavior is generally frowned upon.
8. Dealing with the restaurant staff. Be exceptionally courteous and friendly to the staff. Violating this rule can make a seriously bad impression on the munch hosts. When it comes time to pay, be sure to pay your full share plus a generous tip. You can score a few extra points as a team player if you bring along some one-dollar and five-dollar bills to help the other attendees make change.
9. The etiquette of touching and personal space. The BDSM community is a bit "touchy"
about when, where, and why it's OK for one person to touch another. While ordinary social handshakes are usually fine (some "old school" men observe the etiquette rule that a gentleman never offers his hand to a lady but rather waits for her to offer hers, if she chooses to) more intimate touching such as hugging and so forth is reserved for people who already know each other well. (Because a lot of the people attending already know each other well, you may see a lot of hugging.) A good general rule is to not touch another person's body, clothing, or BDSM equipment without first obtaining their specific permission - and don't be too aggressive about asking for that permission. It's especially wise for men to be cautious regarding touching women that they don't already know very well. Whatever you do, don't touch another person in a "dominant" manner unless you're very certain that you have permission. (If the person is wearing a collar, there's a good chance that they are in an ongoing dominant/submissive relationship and that the person they are collared to is also at the event, so it's wise to get explicit and specific permission from that person beforehand as well.)
Also, if another person touches you in a dominant manner without your permission, it is entirely appropriate to let them clearly know that you didn't appreciate that, and also to notify the munch hosts about this. This is true even if this is your first event and the other person seems to be well-known and prominent. If they are making you feel uncomfortable with their behavior, there is a very good chance that they are also making other attendees uncomfortable as well and the hosts need to know about that.
Make sure that you keep a respectful distance from the other attendees. Men need to be especially mindful on this point. Sitting too close to a woman whom you don't know well, "friendly" hugs or other touching, and looming over a woman in a "dominant" manner can quickly get you a bad reputation that is hard to shake. (Women in the community tend to be somewhat close-knit. Offend one of them with boorish behavior and many other women will quickly learn about it.)
10. Munches are not highly screened. Munches are often publicly advertised and are generally open to all attendees who can observe a few basic rules of social conduct. What this means is that very little can be certain about a person's level of knowledge, experience, or trustworthiness from the mere fact that they are at a munch. While most attendees are fine in this regard, every now and then someone attends that you most definitely do not want to find yourself alone with - particularly if you're tied up! An excellent way to deal with this is simply to give things time. There is certainly no need to go back to somebody's house and engage in BDSM play with them on the same day that you meet them. Doing so can be especially risky. Remember this saying because it's very important: Time is your best friend. Take your time, give it time, and let time do its work on your behalf. With enough time - and often a surprisingly short amount of it - the right thing to do usually becomes clear. Never let anybody rush you.
11. Exchanging personal information. Because preserving the privacy of attendees is so important, if you'd like to have further contact with someone after a munch a good general rule is to offer your telephone number or email address to them instead of asking them to give you that information about themselves. (Ladies, this means that if you meet a man that you'd like to see again and he gives you such information about himself, you'll have to make the next move and contact him.) Some people have special email addresses created to handle scene-related emails. (YourRealName@YourWorkplace.com might not be the best email address to give to someone until you get to know them really well.) Some people create special business-type cards that contain contact information that they're willing to have fairly widely available, such as their scene name and their special email address. You can either have these printed in quantity or use your word processor to print them out in small batches. (Your local office supply store will have "business card" paper.)
12. Reputations, references, warnings, and politics. If you meet someone and you're thinking about engaging in BDSM play with them, perhaps particularly if you're thinking about taking the submissive or bottom role when you play, you might want to ask around a bit to see how this person is generally regarded. Because genuinely dangerous predators are usually spotted and driven from the mainstream community fairly quickly, if someone is well-known and generally well thought of, the probability that they are genuinely dangerous is fairly low (but not non-existent). The BDSM community is somewhat known for attracting people with strong personalities and strong opinions. (Some of the people with the strongest personalities and opinions usually take the submissive role during BDSM play.) Therefore, a certain amount of social/political feuding is something of the norm. This is usually very low-key at a munch, but there may be good reasons why two people are sitting on opposite sides of the room from each other. How this pertains to you is that if someone comes up to you and gives you an unsolicited warning bout another person, you might want to keep in mind that your "helpful friend" may have an agenda regarding that other person that they are not being candid about. Once again, time is your best friend.
13. Getting together after the munch. Munches are social affairs, and it is not at all uncommon for people who meet at a munch to wish to get together later on. This can be for further socializing, for a private meal, or even for the purpose of a BDSM play date. This can be, and usually is, just fine. However, remember that munch attendees are not highly screened so take your time in getting to know this person (that "time" thing again) before meeting them for a BDSM play date, particularly in private. Note: a standard safety precaution, especially recommended when doing BDSM play with someone new in private, is to tell a trusted person where you'll be, who you'll be with, and when you'll be back in touch, and then before you play to politely let your potential partner know that you've done so. This is known as a "silent alarm" or "safe call" and you should be taught the details of how to set one up very early in your BDSM education. Reputable players should have little problem with this and may even take the initiative in telling you that you should set one up. (Don't be surprised, or offended, if they do so as well. Such a device is a standard safety precaution.)
14. Special symbols. Sometimes people wear their keys on their left hip to show that hey prefer the top or dominant role or wear their keys on their right hip to show that they prefer the bottom or submissive role. If you see someone wearing a collar of metal, leather, or some other material, there is a pretty good chance that they are the submissive or slave in an ongoing BDSM relationship. Sometimes people wear colored handkerchiefs in their left or right hip pockets to indicate an interest in a particular activity. For example, a gray handkerchief often indicates an interest in bondage. In general, wearing the handkerchief in the left hip pocket indicates an interest in being the dominant or active partner during the activity and in the right hip pocket often indicates an interest in being the submissive or passive partner. Note: sometimes a handkerchief is just a handkerchief. If you're not sure, it's fine to ask someone if their handkerchief has some sort of special significance.
15. Cruising and Aggressive Cruising. Munches are social events, and one of the main reasons people attend munches is to meet new people. Their goal regarding meeting new people can range from socializing together, attending events together, playing together, some of the above, all of the above, and even more. Indeed, it is not particularly unusual for people to meet at a munch and eventually end up in a long-term, committed relationship. "Cruising" is a term describing the behavior of people who are making special efforts to meet new people. "Aggressive cruising" is a term for people who come on so strongly, especially to new attendees, that the other person becomes uncomfortable. You don't want to get a reputation for doing this. There is no sharp distinction between cruising and aggressive cruising, but there is an old joke about how anybody (particularly somebody that you don't like) who gets the phone number or email address of a person that you're attracted to before you get that information is guilty of aggressive cruising.
16. "Swarming" and "Chopped Liver." "Swarming" is a condition in which a newcomer gets a lot of "welcoming" attention. It happens with some frequency to women who attend by themselves. In such a situation, the woman may be approached by numerous men, and even some women or couples, for conversation and may leave the event with a large handful of phone numbers and email addresses in their possession. If you're a woman and are concerned about this, you might want to attend your first munch with a companion.
"Chopped liver," on the other hand, is a condition in which someone attends a munch and receives very little attention. Sadly, this often happens to single men who are not yet well known. Fortunately, if such men continue to attend munches and other events, they should make friends before too long. There is always room in the BDSM community for another ethical, friendly single man.
17. Introductions and announcements. Many munches have a special time period, usually shortly after the starting time, where people are asked in turn to say something about themselves to the group. This is usually a short statement about their name and their general interests. For example, I might stand up and say, "My name is Jay, I'm a switch, and I really enjoy rope bondage." Someone else might say, "My name is Patricia, I'm a dominant, and I'm really into giving spankings." A third person might say, "My name is Kelly. I'm a submissive and a pain slut, and I'm a slave to Master John." You get the idea. When your turn comes, if you're not sure what to say, simply state either your first name or the name that you'd like to be called by, and that you're a novice. If you're attending your first munch, it's fine to mention that as well. There may also be a period where people announce various BDSM-related events, workshops, and so forth.
18. Arrive on Time. Munches tend to operate on something of a timetable. For example, food is often mostly ordered by a certain time, announcements are given at a particular time, and so forth. Therefore, arriving "fashionably late" may not work out well at all. Arriving no later than about 15 minutes after the official starting time usually works better.
19. Don't make up your mind too quickly about a particular munch. If you attended a munch, had a good time, and plan to return, that's great. If you attended and didn't have such a good time, and are not sure about returning, please don't feel too discouraged. Consider coming back at least another time or two before writing off a particular munch forever. Given their highly variable nature, you can have a very good experience at a munch that you previously didn't have all that good an experience at. However, if you've attended three times and not enjoyed yourself or connected with the people to any significant degree, it may be time to seek another munch or other activity.
20. Where to learn more about BDSM. Munches are not educational events, however there is almost an embarrassment of riches available to people wanting to learn more about BDSM. Literature regarding some of these resources may be on hand at the munch. Available resources include websites, books and videos (ahem), classes, workshops, parties, socials, and private lessons. Excellent resources exist in every major city, and also in quite a few smaller-sized cities. Some cities have events especially intended for BDSM newcomers, so you might want to be especially alert for information about those events. To get you started, I will refer you to two excellent "gateway resources" - one on the east coast and one on the west coast. (These are called "gateway resources" because they will quickly lead you to numerous other equally excellent resources, all over the country, including resources near you.) On the east coast, check out the website of TES in New York City. On the west coast, check out the website of the Society of Janus in San Francisco. By the time you've spent half an hour on each website exploring its content and links, you should have a good overall idea of what educational resources are available to you.
My best wishes to you in your explorations. Please remember that time is your best friend. See you at the munch!
http://www.jaywiseman.com/SEX_BDSM_MunchGuide.html
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And as anyone reading this discussion can tell, these rules mean nothing, considering who applies them.
Theory is great.
Reality, well, that is another matter.
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what you meant was - the rules mean nothing to YOU.
you personally.
the rest of us seem to have been able to read them and understand them... and yes, even apply them!.... and have managed to come through our experiences unscathed.
our realities seem very much different to yours.
you know - i'm actually beginning to think that once upon a time you might have tried the sub life...... and that perhaps you personally were somehow the victim of an over-zealous Dom.... that would explain your singleminded critique of the casual lifestyle.
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Having read most of this, I'm under the impression that his late wife spent the year before they were wed out in the casual community on a grand scale, and was mistreated. What came before that, at the beginning of his usenet postings, I haven't seen yet.
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Apparently you haven't heard ... according to Phaeonsbrother I'm Satan Incarnate
I can understand your desire to distract people from the behaviour of you and your friends by giving flight to fancy, but what good are rules when you are the people applying them?
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The Usenet postings said Wulf/Bloved caused one of his subs to have a nervous breakdown. I think my theory works. There was no wife with cancer who was also a sub. Only an amalgam of women, the wife was never a sub or she never had cancer, then he dealt with another women who was a sub and he destroyed her. He just merged and re-formed them into one supremely perfect submissive so he could play the role of supremely perfect dominant. He has to make up for the mistreatment/abuse of his past, he's realized his terribly destructive behaviour and since the 90s has attempted to educate the universe and set the kharmic balance back to zero. Too bad he's uneducated in BDSM, sexuality, history, geography, social interaction etc.
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See, I'm not so sure of the 'fake' wife idea. I wouldn't like to think anyone could make up anything that tragic tbh. You may think that's naive, but I believe that everyone has moral limits, and faking something as heartbreaking as a spouse with cancer just seems a step too far in my mind.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
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Apparently you haven't heard ... according to Phaeonsbrother I'm Satan Incarnate
I can understand your desire to distract people from the behaviour of you and your friends by giving flight to fancy, but what good are rules when you are the people applying them?
and apparently you haven't read.... (your description) a poor victim sub like me with no self-esteem and no possible way of thinking for myself can't apply any rules to anyone!
maybe i'm wrong, but i always thought it was my Dom who made the rules, and then it was my consent that allowed them to be applied?
in what way does that make me 'the people applying them'?
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http://www.magenta.com/~spectrum/legends.htm
Wulf: see Arrow Blue's Wulf FAQ: http://home.netcom.com/~arrowblu/ABwulf.html He's a troll, who delights in disruption.
Fun stuff! I never spent much time on usenet back in those days.
Wulf: see Arrow Blue's Wulf FAQ: http://home.netcom.com/~arrowblu/ABwulf.html He's a troll, who delights in disruption.
Fun stuff! I never spent much time on usenet back in those days.
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He usually presents her in fiction, he's not lying, his narrator's just telling a story. There could be a wife with cancer, but most likely she was not also a submissive. But I favor the theory that there was no cancer, only a wife who left him because he was abusive. He uses the cancer as a teaching tool, he thinks he has every right since he's dealing in educational fiction. The wife has to be terminated to show perfect submission, submission unto death. There's likely not one bit of truth in his stories, otherwise he'd post them under essays/memoirs and just go on an on like he does on the message boards.
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Yo, is this you? Props if it is.
"STella has been omnipresent over the life of ASB/SSB, and the coiner of terms that have become part of the BDSM vocabulary. "Meat Life" and "Munch" are among these. Sie presents hirself as of indeterminate gender. Sie is probably as close to a true legend as we have."
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"Submission is a gift"
It is very gratifying to see the idea I started so many years ago pop up in the strangest places.
There is a good reason so many of my posts as Wulf were deleted by the casual players of the time.
The last thing they wanted was subs getting the idea they were entitled to healthy self-esteem.
Today lots of submissives subscribe to the view that submission is a gift.
Just goes to show you can't keep a good idea from spreading.
~smile~
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Aren't you the same person who accused me of being Satan?
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