Dingbat Liberal Professor

[about_average]

Enough bullshit. You have no idea whereof you speak.

While it was fairly common BB over simplification, I'm pretty sure he was talking specifically about the "let the pros handle it" mindset that has resulted in people doing nothing beyond calling 911 and then cowering. Which has contributed a lot of dead and injured people.
I believe your siblings said that, but there are plenty of other law enforcement who recognize that people also need to take action in some situations, not just wait for "the pros" to arrive.

He was being very generous with a 2 minute response time too. I doubt there's anywhere in the US where only 2 minutes would elapse between someone seeing a shooter, calling 911, police arriving on scene and being in a position to confront the shooter.
A lot of bullets can be discharged even in 2 minutes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Enough bullshit. You have no idea whereof you speak.

Almost, if not every LEO out there suggest not engaging bad juju.

Call 911....

I've never heard an LEO suggest that you should go fuck bad juju up if you have the chance.

Have you?

 

[about_average]

Almost, if not every LEO out there suggest not engaging bad juju.

Call 911....

I've never heard an LEO suggest that you should go fuck bad juju up if you have the chance.

Have you?

I've heard LEO say people should defend themselves, not just rely on the cops.
And of course SCOTUS has said that the police have no constitutional duty to protect people.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've heard LEO say people should defend themselves, not just rely on the cops.
And of course SCOTUS has said that the police have no constitutional duty to protect people.

True but they always discourage anything that could be seen as vigilantism, which basically means if they aren't attacking you run and call 911.

Thus the conflict of do I call 911 and let authorities handle it or do I handle the intimidate threat and then call the authorities?

At one point when I gave a fuck I would have handled the situation and then called the cops gladly accepting the responsibility of going to prison for stopping a psycho.

Now I'd just let them walk right by call 911 and leave like a good citizen. Wish the psycho good luck on his bid for the high score.

 

[phrodeau]

Actually it was the 911 dispatcher who said that, not the police department. And I'd be extremely surprised if they meant for her to call every time she sees a uniformed cadet with a rifle.
It's entirely possible that the Grand Forks police department, even if they knew, neglected to pass on the information to the 911 EMS center.


Like I said, even though she should have known better since she has ROTC students in her class (who no doubt are in uniform sometimes in her class) and was notified ahead of time of the activity, I'd give her one freebie. Her continued calls to 911, as she's stated she'll do, is just a nutjob troublemaker looking for attention.
Despite her claims, if she does that she doesn't care about safety because every bogus 911 call is potential delay for response to an actual emergency.

It's interesting she complains about lack of funding for the university yet has no qualms burdening the 911 center with frivolous calls when they are struggling financially.

There would be nothing bogus or frivolous about those calls, and if the ROTC are on the ball, the 911 operator will have the scoop and inform the callers.

 

[about_average]

There would be nothing bogus or frivolous about those calls, and if the ROTC are on the ball, the 911 operator will have the scoop and inform the callers.

Well, I suppose she could pretend she's too stupid to know they are ROTC cadets. If she can convince a judge she really thought she was in danger then yes, they wouldn't be frivolous.

Hopefully the police department, sheriff's dept and state police are on all on the ball and notify 911 before they ever venture on campus.

 

[phrodeau]

Well, I suppose she could pretend she's too stupid to know they are ROTC cadets. If she can convince a judge she really thought she was in danger then yes, they wouldn't be frivolous.

Hopefully the police department, sheriff's dept and state police are on all on the ball and notify 911 before they ever venture on campus.

It isn't her job to determine whether they are a threat or not, jeez.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It isn't her job to determine whether they are a threat or not, jeez.

The first time, she didn't know. Now she does, and will be in trouble if she calls about it again.

 

[sr71plt]

The first time, she didn't know. Now she does, and will be in trouble if she calls about it again.

Which will be the time that some ROTC guy goes berserk and blows a whole library full of students away. Like military types don't go berserk.

I imagine her probable point is a good one. Guns don't belong on campus at all. the ROTC guys can do their practice off campus just like they did in my day when guns were banned from campuses.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Which will be the time that some ROTC guy goes berserk and blows a whole library full of students away. Like military types don't go berserk.

I imagine her probable point is a good one. Guns don't belong on campus at all. the ROTC guys can do their practice off campus just like they did in my day when guns were banned from campuses.

Has that ever happened? Has any ROTC member ever gone berserk?

The "guns" are unloaded and probably don't work anyhow. But maybe the English classes should be held off-campus too. Imagine them in a ND winter

 

[sr71plt]

Military types frequently go berserk and on shooting sprees. It's fun that you would suggest a ROTC guy wouldn't. The ole head in the sand approach to gun nutting.

Yeah, like it has any relevance to someone seeing guns being carried across a campus that they might be unloaded. You people are a real trip in your lame defenses.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Military types frequently go berserk and on shooting sprees. It's fun that you would suggest a ROTC guy wouldn't. The ole head in the sand approach to gun nutting.

Yeah, like it has any relevance to someone seeing guns being carried across a campus that they might be unloaded. You people are a real trip in your lame defenses.

Well you claim to be a veteran how do you keep your sanity? I can't believe your defending this professor.

 

[sr71plt]

Well you claim to be a veteran how do you keep your sanity? I can't believe your defending this professor.

I'm not a veteran and never have claimed to be. I worked for civilian intelligence. You often just make stuff up?

Guns do not belong in schools, churches, hospitals, grocery stores, theaters, etc., ect. and so forth. Period.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

It's funny the anti-right people claim that if you want to own a gun you're paranoid and violence and just not a very nice person and you have a small cock. Sure most people who know what they're talking about would call all that a load of crap. Sweeping generalizations and petty insults.

In this case though some irrational professor plans to cause panic and tie up police resources because of her delusions? While the potential for mass shootings is rare I'd think most people would be comfortable with patriotic young people using weapons for training while being supervised by trained adults.

This ranks up there with that sorry talk show host who said if he saw someone open carrying where he was eating he'd run out screaming there was an active shooter in hopes of getting the person shot by police. Just recently a police officer taking a evening class was asked to leave, because having a armed uniformed officer made some people uncomfortable.

Just another person who won't let facts or reality get in the way. I'd saw someone who thinks every gun owner regardless of background is a potential mass murderer is paranoid. Kind of like feminists who think every man is a potential rapist.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Military types frequently go berserk and on shooting sprees.

Not really, you just hate guns and anyone who has them.

Guns do not belong in schools, churches, hospitals, grocery stores, theaters, etc., ect. and so forth. Period.

Why not?

Further more why not ROTC cadets?

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's funny the anti-right people claim that if you want to own a gun you're paranoid and violence and just not a very nice person and you have a small cock.

That's because they have no real arguments for just about every speck of bullshit they push.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

I'm not a veteran and never have claimed to be. I worked for civilian intelligence. You often just make stuff up?

Guns do not belong in schools, churches, hospitals, grocery stores, theaters, etc., ect. and so forth. Period.

Well last time I checked the SR71 was program run was by the United States Air Force, and was during war time. Why would anyone think you're military. Now that we have your lies straight again....

You're terrified of guns I get that, and if you're not rational enough to own one nobody should. Weapons in the hands of responsible trained people can make a big difference. Even the anti-gun folks can't deny that guns are used to stop crime over 200,000 and those are the incidents where nobody died. I frankly think training young people to serve their country is a pretty good reason to have weapons on campus.


Your solution is to ban all firearms from an area, and take your chance until help arrives. How has that been working out so far? I'm sure those killers just missed the sign saying gun free zone.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well last time I checked the SR71 was program run was by the United States Air Force, and was during war time.

Check your shit again.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Which will be the time that some ROTC guy goes berserk and blows a whole library full of students away. Like military types don't go berserk.

I imagine her probable point is a good one. Guns don't belong on campus at all. the ROTC guys can do their practice off campus just like they did in my day when guns were banned from campuses.

Let's see the last killing spree on a military base was by an academic who was radicalized and was able to kill so many people because the soldiers were disarmed. Not that you care, but the brave DOD officers who shot him were later laid off.

Last time I check the military is very good about making sure weapons and ammunition are secure. A thorough process is involved, and civilian laws are followed. During your day people called ROTC cadets baby killers?

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Check your shit again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

 

[sr71plt]

Duplicate. The system burped.

 

[sr71plt]

Well last time I checked the SR71 was program run was by the United States Air Force, and was during war time. Why would anyone think you're military. Now that we have your lies straight again....

How often do I have to post this? (Especially since it has nothing to do with this topic or with this Web site.) The SR71 was developed and paid for by the CIA. Air Force pilots fly them over areas that the United States isn't in an enmity status with. They are (or were) hosted and maintained at Air Force bases (e.g., Kadena, Utapao, Offutt) but they belong to the CIA and serve CIA missions. A service person engaging in overflights over a denied area is an act of war. CIA pilots (remember the CIA developed and paid for the program--and while you're remembering that, go look up the U2 and read Francis Gary Powers' Operation Overflight, telling how he had to give up his service commission to overfly the Soviet Union as a civilian).

But you didn't post anything like that. You posted that I claimed to be a veteran. You lied.

I didn't bother to read the rest of your tripe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

If you look under operators you will see NASA on that list.

I've also read that though they officially belonged to the USAF the CIA for all intents and purposes owned a couple themselves.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

How often do I have to post this? The SR71 was developed and paid for by the CIA. Air Force pilots fly them over areas that the United States isn't in an enmity status with. They are (or were) hosted and maintained at Air Force bases (e.g., Kadena, Utapao, Offutt) but they belong to the CIA and serve CIA missions. A service person engaging in overflights over a denied area is an act of war. CIA pilots (remember the CIA developed and paid for the program--and while you're remembering that, go look up the U2 and read Francis Gary Powers' Operationa Overflight, telling how he had to give up his service commission to overfly the Soviet Union as a civilian).

But you didn't post anything like that. You posted that I claimed to be a veteran. You lied.

So if your lie is to believed you were in the Air Force then the CIA? I never thought of those protecting our nation in the intelligence service as non-veterans, but you'd know best.

I mean your BS story makes perfect sense. Someone serves in the military makes insulting generalizations about others who do, is afraid of guns, and works for a secret program that can't easily be verified. Yeah seems very believable....really.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Jesus Christ is dumb vs dumber.