What’s your most controversial opinion?

[crazychemgirl]

For what you deem as hate. Boxing “hate” out still leaves it there and prevents any discussion or chance to change.

Homophobia is hate. Plain and simple. There is no discussion on this.

 

[Chillygirl]

I forgot what I was going to say. I got distracted by @Tigobitties98 new pic.

 

[crazychemgirl]

I forgot what I was going to say. I got distracted by @Tigobitties98 new pic.

She has that effect on me too

 

[Bry1313]

I always have opinions. But what good does it do to fight the person you don't agree with? Do you think it changes his opinion?
Agree to disagree, I don't agree at all. To me, that is hate speech.
Simple disagreements are just as effective then name calling. Either way. A few people on the internet won't change his mind. Not unless he's looking for someone to change his mind.
Kinda like the alcoholic won't stop until they are ready.

Some topics in here have angered me before too, but I'm trying to do better about my reactions. I have a fairly long ignore list too.

But I also agree with haha about the dog piling.

Again. We can just agree to disagree.

Each individual had their separate thoughts to share and they shared them. That’s not dog piling, it’s a series of people expressing their opinions.

I’ll just say in this instance we disagree.

To me the very purpose of expressing a controversial opinion is to generate actual controversy. His hate speech certainly did that.

 

[Deleted member 6568729]

Some people suck. And people that support people that suck also suck.

I think that's enough Lit for today.

 

[Deleted member 6592667]

It's like this...

Nazis: *marches into town*

People: "Get out of here, you Nazi bastards!"

Tone Police: "Wow, People, it's really too bad you had to resort to name-calling. You've just shut down any discussion that could have been had. So much for free speech!*

There. See how this doesn't at all work?

 

[crazychemgirl]

Some people suck. And people that support people that suck also suck.

I think that's enough Lit for today.

*hugs my dear

 

[SassySheDevil]

Some people suck. And people that support people that suck also suck.

I think that's enough Lit for today.

Sorry to disappoint you indie. Not like i didn't already know how you feel.

 

[Bebode]

Homophobia is hate. Plain and simple. There is no discussion on this.

And that’s the problem. Now it’s censored some/most will never know, in their own mind, if it was or wasn’t.

 

[crazychemgirl]

And that’s the problem. Now it’s censored some/most will never know, in their own mind, if it was or wasn’t.

This post makes no sense

 

[Xerxes82]

There shouldn’t be a line of what some arbitrary person decides what is and what isn’t. Nothing can be accomplished and changed if one side is shut down and shut out.

Okay. But...

Don't all these issues ultimately come down to one arbitrary person? How do you even know you have a collective consensus if nobody is the first to speak? If no one ever stands up and says, "No, I don't think that's right?"

But when it turns into 6 year olds on the playground it becomes less effective. I've seen plenty in here argue very effectively without the name calling.

This I can agree with, absolutely. I think everybody, on both sides of a lot of issues, could have more constructive discussions and debates if more thought was put into the language used.

But I'm not sure that there's a way to call out hate speech in a truly constructive way. By it's nature, it forces you to either push back or to essentially enable it. Maybe smarter people than I can find better avenues of approach.

 

[Bry1313]

I like cheese.
Discuss.

It makes you poop a lot, doesn’t it

 

[Wand3rlust]

It makes you poop a lot, doesn’t it

Do you have dairy issues, @Bry1313 ?

 

[Bry1313]

Do you have dairy issues, @Bry1313 ?

Dairy and I get along great. I just know @BadAmy enjoys that part of her day so figured cheese was an enhancement.

 

[Shenanigans90]

But I also agree with haha about the dog piling.

It only appears as dog piling because no one spoke up to support the OP’s opinion. He hasn’t returned to argue the point so he is probably off somewhere laughing at what he started.

 

[Bry1313]

For what you deem as hate. Boxing “hate” out still leaves it there and prevents any discussion or chance to change.

It wasn’t boxed out, we called him an asshole, because that’s what he is, an asshooe.

It turns out though that his post also violated the TOS, so like all posts that do, it got deleted consistent with Lit policy.

Which of the two issues above do you have problems with?

 

[crazychemgirl]

Controversial opinion.. a bagel without a hole is still a bagel.

 

[Bry1313]

Controversial opinion.. a bagel without a hole is still a bagel.

Oh fuck off asshole.

 

[crazychemgirl]

Oh fuck off asshole.

Love you too sugartits

 

[Bebode]

This post makes no sense

it does because hate speech doesn’t exist. There is only speech/language and feelings. It’s not a Universal construct where the rules are the same. So by removing what was said people who didn’t see it don’t get to decide if it was or wasn’t bigoted/vulgar/hurtful/abhorrent etc. and in this case all people see are a group teaming up against one person for having an opinion that was deemed “hate speech”

 

[crazychemgirl]

it does because hate speech doesn’t exist. There is only speech/language and feelings. It’s not a Universal construct where the rules are the same. So by removing what was said people who didn’t see it don’t get to decide if it was or wasn’t bigoted/vulgar/hurtful/abhorrent etc. and in this case all people see are a group teaming up against one person for having an opinion that was deemed “hate speech”

Ok I see what you’re TRYING to say .., and yes, something isn’t necessarily “hateful” unless the person who hears it feels it to be hateful..

where you are on the wrong side of history here is that … historically things have been ok that obviously weren’t … racism, homophobia, pedophilia … but as a society as we’ve evolved as a species we’ve come to realizations that yes, those things ARE wrong and condoning them is therefore wrong and hateful.

 

[Bebode]

It wasn’t boxed out, we called him an asshole, because that’s what he is, an asshooe.

It turns out though that his post also violated the TOS, so like all posts that do, it got deleted consistent with Lit policy.

Which of the two issues above do you have problems with?

Well some could argue that calling him an asshole because of his beliefs is “hate speech.” I don’t know if I saw the post, I saw some of his nonsense, so he probably is an asshole. My issue is with censorship, I think it’s wrong. With that being said LIT has a terms of service and if it violates that then it should be deleted. I don’t agree, but it’s their rules.

 

[Bebode]

Ok I see what yours TRYING to say .., and yes, something isn’t necessarily “hateful” unless the person who hears it feels it to be hateful..

where you are on the wrong side of history here is that … history things have been ok that obviously weren’t … racism, homophobia, pedophilia … but as a society as we’ve evolved as a species we’ve come to realizations that yes, those things ARE wrong and condoning them is therefore wrong and hateful.

Absolutely, things like that are abhorrent and should be called out. But when you censor one half and remove whatever vileness was said it just becomes the voices of many attacking the few.

 

[Bebode]

Okay. But...

Don't all these issues ultimately come down to one arbitrary person? How do you even know you have a collective consensus if nobody is the first to speak? If no one ever stands up and says, "No, I don't think that's right?"



This I can agree with, absolutely. I think everybody, on both sides of a lot of issues, could have more constructive discussions and debates if more thought was put into the language used.

But I'm not sure that there's a way to call out hate speech in a truly constructive way. By it's nature, it forces you to either push back or to essentially enable it. Maybe smarter people than I can find better avenues of approach.

Sure it does and that’s a problem. Why should someone’s feeling determine the language that can or cannot be used? Just because I find something more offensive than you do, doesn’t make it any more or less “hate speech” it’s just speech/language.

 

[Bry1313]

Well some could argue that calling him an asshole because of his beliefs is “hate speech.” I don’t know if I saw the post, I saw some of his nonsense, so he probably is an asshole. My issue is with censorship, I think it’s wrong. With that being said LIT has a terms of service and if it violates that then it should be deleted. I don’t agree, but it’s their rules.

So you don’t know what “hate speech” actually is, do you. Also, you don’t believe organizations should have a terms of service for their user base?