Might get banned for this....

[Crownvic]

I've also been surprised by how friendly and helpful the forums here are. Much better than most other sites I've come across. Just stay away from the Politics forum - that's a cesspool

Totally agree...

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Of course! That's why I said that if they want a fight, they got one! I don't care if I'm banned because it says more about them than it does about me.

Are many of them worth the fight?

Sure, there are those who will take you ignoring them as a sign that you "gave up", and claim that they won their particular point as a result.

Those aren't battles worth fighting, in my opinion.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Those aren't battles worth fighting, in my opinion.

Debate is not a war of attrition. It’s not about who lasts longest. I’m learning [very slowly] to make my points and then move on. Too many people just like to (or need to) argue.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Debate is not a war of attrition. It’s not about who lasts longest. I’m learning [very slowly] to make my points and then move on. Too many people just like to (or need to) argue.

One of my husband's favorite sayings is, "Some people are only happy when they are pissed off."

 

[SmilingLez]

Is the Literotica forum some sort of popularity contest to see who can be the biggest jerk to people they don't know? Whatever happened to 'If it doesn't apply, let it fly?'

Whenever someone asks a genuine question, whether it be about their writing, ideas, or even AI, the answers are usually unhelpful, condescending, and obnoxious. There's more to life than policing other people's opinions and kissing the ass of the founder of Literotica just to put people in their place. Get a life!

Don't let the JackHoles get you down. Unfortunately they're everywhere - in every profession, on line, and some consider themselves creative too. YMMV

 

[KittyOfSteele]

But incest, sex advertising, and barely legal content are. Got it!

B-but... Your username is Lolita... What?

I'm so confused...

 

[EmilyMiller]

One of my husband's favorite sayings is, "Some people are only happy when they are pissed off."

I’m gonna print that out and pin it to my corkboard (I’m so analog ).

 

[EmilyMiller]

B-but... Your username is Lolita... What?

I'm so confused...

Yeah - that occurred to me as well, but for once I restrained myself (as I will now from making my normal joke about self-restraint not being as much fun as… oops! almost said it ).

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Yeah - that occurred to me as well, but for once I restrained myself (as I will now from making my normal joke about self-restraint not being as much fun as… oops! almost said it ).

I can restrain you!

*No, Kitty! Bad! Bad Kitty!*

 

[EmilyMiller]

I can restrain you!

*No, Kitty! Bad! Bad Kitty!*

 

[KittyOfSteele]

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Yeah it never worked anyway...

 

[Lolita30]

I'll be your friend

Thank you very much, appreciated.

 

[Lolita30]

Don't let the JackHoles get you down. Unfortunately they're everywhere - in every profession, on line, and some consider themselves creative too. YMMV

You're right. I appreciate you, for reals!

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Debate is not a war of attrition. It’s not about who lasts longest. I’m learning [very slowly] to make my points and then move on. Too many people just like to (or need to) argue.

I think that we have both seen instances where someone had obviously lost the debate but keeps on beating their dead horse in an effort that change the outcome.

 

[lovecraft68]

My experience has been quite the opposite!

Everyone has been so sweet and helpful. I've truly been impressed!

There are high school level reasons for that.

 

[SmilingLez]

I think that we have both seen instances where someone had obviously lost the debate but keeps on beating their dead horse in an effort that change the outcome.

I think you are collapsing two different things, debate and a person's opinion. The first has an obvious endpoint, the second - no endpoint

 

[Britva415]

You won’t get banned for this.

Ignored?

Done.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Is the Literotica forum some sort of popularity contest to see who can be the biggest jerk to people they don't know? Whatever happened to 'If it doesn't apply, let it fly?'

Whenever someone asks a genuine question, whether it be about their writing, ideas, or even AI, the answers are usually unhelpful, condescending, and obnoxious. There's more to life than policing other people's opinions and kissing the ass of the founder of Literotica just to put people in their place. Get a life!

You don't learn much about writing here....
You are welcomed until you offer an opinion that differs from the toxic fan club that dominate this forum...
Dare to offer an opinion that doesn't align with theirs and they jump on you like the mean kids club from high school.
They'll simply rant and rave... Demanding you accept they're right and you're wrong...
That's been my experience... Dare to stand up, and they'll just dump om you...
I dip into the AH only occasionally these days... It's much better for your mental health...
Good luck in storytelling....
Oh... That's only my opinion...

 

[M_K_Babalon]

But incest, sex advertising, and barely legal content are. Got it!

Look. This is an erotica site. Those are fetishes, it's not a comparison, not even apples to oranges, more like pinball machines to algebra. So yes, incest, and barely legal content are better preferred.

You can talk about AI. Laurel is the site owner, she started this site way back in 1996, for writers, who write their own work. If the AI you're talking about is Rosie Jetson getting her robo pussy pounded by Red Tornado, or Bender topping C-3PO with R2-D2 "servicing" his shiny rear connection port, it's fine. The problem is you having AI do your work for you.

Writing is possibly the oldest craft next to hunting & gathering, and fucking, there is countless aids to get you there. It night be hard, but it's not arduous. Or you can just go to LushStories, they allow it.

 

[SmilingLez]

You don't learn much about writing here....
You are welcomed until you offer an opinion that differs from the toxic fan club that dominate this forum...
Dare to offer an opinion that doesn't align with theirs and they jump on you like the mean kids club from high school.
They'll simply rant and rave... Demanding you accept they're right and you're wrong...
That's been my experience... Dare to stand up, and they'll just dump om you...
I dip into the AH only occasionally these days... It's much better for your mental health...
Good luck in storytelling....
Oh... That's only my opinion...

Agree - it seems the problem is - instead of debating issues, people rip apart others' opinions and that's what causes the toxicity. Opinions are rarely changed (e.g. some say stories are rejected; I say the stories are censored). Though I might change my opinion on what causes this toxicity sooner versus later

 

[Voboy]

Not for the first time, I seem to have encountered a thread where everyone but me knows what's going on.



Welcome, OP, whether or not you stay. I don't know you at all; how could I dislike you? But if it's your opinion that AI should be used here, well, I certainly don't agree.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

You don't learn much about writing here....
You are welcomed until you offer an opinion that differs from the toxic fan club that dominate this forum...
Dare to offer an opinion that doesn't align with theirs and they jump on you like the mean kids club from high school.
They'll simply rant and rave... Demanding you accept they're right and you're wrong...
That's been my experience... Dare to stand up, and they'll just dump om you...
I dip into the AH only occasionally these days... It's much better for your mental health...
Good luck in storytelling....
Oh... That's only my opinion...

I've learned quite a bit my many years here.

 

[anthrodisiac]

You don't learn much about writing here....
You are welcomed until you offer an opinion that differs from the toxic fan club that dominate this forum...
Dare to offer an opinion that doesn't align with theirs and they jump on you like the mean kids club from high school.
They'll simply rant and rave... Demanding you accept they're right and you're wrong...
That's been my experience... Dare to stand up, and they'll just dump om you...
I dip into the AH only occasionally these days... It's much better for your mental health...
Good luck in storytelling....
Oh... That's only my opinion...

Respectfully disagree. There is a plethora of help, opinions, feedback, and resources available from people across the whole spectrum of writing experience. I've seen plenty of civil discourse where people have differing opinions about an approach and can amicably accept that people have different styles and opinions, and that's that.

Does this place sometimes veer into cliquiness? Sure. Show me an interaction with more than ten people where there aren't cliques. Cliques aren't always bad, though. Some writers who have certain preferences tend to band together, and because they share interests, they stick together and discuss those interests.

Does this place sometimes veer into back and forths with no real point or end? Sure. Human nature, just how we are sometimes. We're all susecptible to it at one time or another. Sometimes a snarky comment gets taken the wrong way, or someone's in a mood to be combative, or any number of reasons. But it's easy to forego participation in them if you so choose. Nobody's forcing you to get into a back and forth with a random stranger on the internet. There's an Ignore feature if you so choose.

The beauty of asynchronous communication is that you can pick and choose when and where to engage. If you don't like a subject, or things are going a way that makes you feel bad, you can up sticks and stop participating. You get to pick and choose your interactions here, so choose the ones that help you, and ignore the ones that don't.

So, @Lolita30, you're free to interact with this place as much and as little as you want. A lot of people here are willing to be supportive, so hue to those interactions. AH should be a place where you feel welcome, and I'm sorry you don't feel that, but many, many people here are willing to engage you on substance if you so choose.

 

[IWroteThis]

(e.g. some say stories are rejected; I say the stories are censored).

Both happen, but they're not the same thing.

Censorship is about the content of the story, not the writing itself. The ban on under 18 content is an example of such censorship.

AI rejections are not about content and, thus, are not censorship. If it was censorship, the same subject matter would be rejected whether AI generated or human written. But it's not, because the rejection is based on authorship and copyright instead. Likewise, the 750 word minimum is not censorship, because word count is not content either.

Now, back to the AI-specific discussion…

To protect themselves legally, Literotica requires a declaration of copyright ownership and grant of license from the writer before publishing a work. That is not possible to do with AI-generated text, as it is not eligible for copyright.

Now, while it is true that anybody, including Literotica, can publish works that are in the public domain, what they can't do is accredit authorship to somebody who isn't actually the author. So, in order to publish these AI-generated stories, Literotica would have to take additional steps to protect themselves. Here are a few things that quickly came to mind:

They could publish them under a dedicated account for public domain works rather than under the submitting account.

Second, they could put a large disclaimer at the top of each AI-generated or otherwise public domain work that says something like, "THIS STORY WAS NOT WRITTEN BY THE PERSON POSTING IT, BUT IS A WORK IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN."

Probably in conjunction with another option, adding a nice "PD" or "AI" icon where a HOT icon would be on an eligible story would allow folks know before they click on it.

Of course, nobody submitting AI-generated text wants anything like this, as they want to take credit for "writing" it. Thus, nobody would use it, so there is no reason for Literotica to go to the effort of implementing a process change to support posting public domain works. It's so much easier to just keep publishing only copyrighted works that they have been granted a license to publish.

 

[SmilingLez]

Both happen, but they're not the same thing.

Censorship is about the content of the story, not the writing itself. The ban on under 18 content is an example of such censorship.

AI rejections are not about content and, thus, are not censorship. If it was censorship, the same subject matter would be rejected whether AI generated or human written. But it's not, because the rejection is based on authorship and copyright instead. Likewise, the 750 word minimum is not censorship, because word count is not content either.

Now, back to the AI-specific discussion…

To protect themselves legally, Literotica requires a declaration of copyright ownership and grant of license from the writer before publishing a work. That is not possible to do with AI-generated text, as it is not eligible for copyright.

Now, while it is true that anybody, including Literotica, can publish works that are in the public domain, what they can't do is accredit authorship to somebody who isn't actually the author. So, in order to publish these AI-generated stories, Literotica would have to take additional steps to protect themselves. Here are a few things that quickly came to mind:

They could publish them under a dedicated account for public domain works rather than under the submitting account.

Second, they could put a large disclaimer at the top of each AI-generated or otherwise public domain work that says something like, "THIS STORY WAS NOT WRITTEN BY THE PERSON POSTING IT, BUT IS A WORK IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN."

Probably in conjunction with another option, adding a nice "PD" or "AI" icon where a HOT icon would be on an eligible story would allow folks know before they click on it.

Of course, nobody submitting AI-generated text wants anything like this, as they want to take credit for "writing" it. Thus, nobody would use it, so there is no reason for Literotica to go to the effort of implementing a process change to support posting public domain works. It's so much easier to just keep publishing only copyrighted works that they have been granted a license to publish.

Again we are discussing word usage. Manu and Laurel own the site, it is their domain, and they are the king and queen. They can censor or to use your less harsh term reject any story they want using any excuse they want. If you wish to call it rejection so be it but I choose to call it censorship. I don't attack your choice of a word so don't attack mine. Per the definition of a debate, this is not one